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Jan 2, 2008

A friend of mine who is in real estate is looking to learn about Excel. My knowledge is very limited. I can Conditional Format, IF, VLOOKUP etc but I have no idea what can be done with different Sheets in a file.

For example, in one set of data he has it is details on properties for rent. Sheet1, Sheet2 and Sheet3 are for 1, 2 or 3bedroom properties. I assume if a 4 bedroom property is for rent then Sheet4 would be done.

With Excel how easy (or hard) would it be to link data between the sheets. For example, show the properties where the lease is about to end (or whatever) and whereby properties that met the search criteria would comprise 1, 2 and 3 bedroom units and hence be in all 3 sheets.

If what is in 3 sheets was placed in one sheet can Excel do much with that or are you stuck with data that is spread over what appears to be several acres:D

If you can do this in Excel would you need to learn a lot about Excel. To put it another way, this is very easy for anyone here to do what he wants in Access. However, for someone starting from scratch would Excel allow him to get up to speed and functioning easier and quicker than Access

Thanks for any advice

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Problem for Excel Developers
One of the problems facing Excel developers moving into MS Access is actually the apparent similarity between MS Access tables and Excel spreadsheets.

MS Access is NOT Excel
This similarity of the “look” in both programs, the layout of the data, leads to the Excel developer mistakenly thinking that a database works in a similar way to a spreadsheet.

Flat File Database
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Relational
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Typical Spreadsheet Layout
Below is an example which shows columns that you would typically find in a spreadsheet, first name, last name for example. Then a variety of subjects, with a check box against each indicating that the subject has been taken, passed or possibly even failed!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x317/UncleGizmo/StudentTableBoolean_2.png

Flat File is OK
A direct transfer of this spreadsheet layout into an MS Access table would be usable and indeed many Access databases are constructed in this way, and some sophisticated applications costing many hundreds of pounds are based on a flat file system. However as mentioned earlier, MS Access is a “relational” database, meaning that it has the ability to relate your data together.

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Uncharted Territory
The first most common problem I have noticed on forums for people with similarly designed tables imported from a spreadsheet is that they find it difficult to extract useful information, and this is one of the major reasons that you should consider constructing your new database in a different manner to your spreadsheet, no doubt you will be able to come up with your own unique methods of extracting the data, however you will find there is little help available, not because no one wants to help you, but because you are embarking into uncharted territory, “where no man has gone before” (student is a good substitute for “man”).

Maintenance
Another reason, (not in any particular order of importance, the significance will change from project to project) what happens if you need to add an extra subject? Let’s say the school starts offering French lessons, in the spreadsheet all you would do is add a new column “French” and indeed in your MS Access database you could also add a new column “French”, however if the construction of your database is well advanced, in other words you have many queries and forms based on the table you are adding a new field to, then you will have to modify every single query and form that extracts information from this table, not something you want to do often!

Column Limit
Many modern spreadsheet programs can handle thousands of columns; however MS Access has a 255 limit to the number of fields in any particular table. So in the student table example, if you were at the 255 limit and you needed to add another subject then you would find yourself in a difficult position.

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So what’s the solution? This is the part that is sort of counter intuitive, you actually construct two tables from the original table and link them together. This is the “relational” aspect of the database coming into play.

How?
If you look at the original layout of the data above you can ask questions about it, is there any data in the original table that is related? Looking at it, I would suspect all of the boolean columns (the check box columns, yes/no data) they are all the same, so they are a likely candidate for a separate table. And indeed there is an obvious name for this new table, they are all “subjects” that the student is or could take.

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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x317/UncleGizmo/StudentTableTransposed2.png

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Please be good enough to download the attached database and experiment, please tell me where it can be improved, where it's wrong and where I could do things better. Cheers Tony

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