Database Example-Pat Hartman Non Normal Form
Dec 1, 2005
Hey folks!
A favor to ask: Pat Hartman posted an example db shortly before this site was attacked that dealt with setting up a form in a non-normal fashion to enter/display data that was in normalized tables. Did anyone download and keep a copy?
I downloaded it and was going to study it to try to build something similar for a lab application, but I lost my copy and can't get it back. A search here did not pull the post up, so I'm assuming the attack got the post, which was in the example DB section.
If anyone still has a copy, or if you see this Pat, would you mind posting the file again? I'd really like to study this one.
Thank you in advance.
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Apr 4, 2007
Hi, i'm new here and I know there's a lot going on but i was hoping someone could point me in the right direction or give me a few tips...
I've imported a very large (nearly 15000 records) set of data into an Access database as one big huge table storing various bits of information about coins. As far as I can tell, the data is in at least first normal form, in that no multiple values are stored in any columns (not yet sure of the technical term - field?)
Anyway, I've managed to use a make table query to separate out some of the content of the table into separate tables with relating entities.
One question is, and please bear with me - How do I add an autonumbered primary key to these newly separated out tables and then add these autonumbered items to the original tables as IDs so that I can set up relationships? Is there a "proper" way to go about describing this?
The following consists of ALL the fields in the original table and how i've split them up by table:
STOCK
Group
ItemNo
ListNo
TypeCode
ActualDate
SortDate
CostPrice
SalePrice
Estimate
StockLevel
DateEntered
DateSold
Archived
Ref1
Ref2
Picture
Description
Cats
DenomCode
TypeCode
PeriodCode
ArchiveWhenSold
NotForSale
KeepSold
StockItem
Highlight
OnLists
OnWeb
Proof
DENOMINATIONS
DenomName
DenomCode
DenomHeading
DenomValue
PERIODS
PeriodName
PeriodCode
PeriodHeading
PeriodStartYear
PeriodEndYear
VARIETIES
Variety
The Variety field in the Variety table is especially problematic. There were 1259 varieties stored in the original table which are now in a separate Varieties table which is great. But how do i now add an autoincrement number and call it, say, VarietyID, but then link each Variety back to the main list of coins but replace the full Variety description with the newly created VarietyID?
If any of that made sense, i'd REALLY appreciate some wisdom here.
Thanks
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Ms. Hartman,
You have may it very clear on a number of post, that I've read, that checking for required fields and duplicate fields, should be done in the forms BeforeUpdate event and last week, when you helped to try and achieve this on one of my forms, posted back and stated, "I never remove the close box or make forms modal unless they absolutely work."
Here's my question. If I disabled the forms max, min and close and then put my own Close cmdButton on the form and in this cmdButtons OnClick event I did my validations before I allowed the form to go to Close, wouldn't this at least be an OK way of doing it since I'm not allowing any of the forms "closing" events to fire? With BeforeUpdate I'm having to validate and if it doesn't pass, then stop the form from closing and cancel the forms events.
I'm only asking this cause I know your experience level is way above mine and of course I'm using my own close button, and the way you answered me made me think this was not a good way to do it, so I thought I would ask if it is a bad way of doing it and why. I just want to make sure that I'm not creating problems for myself.
Hope this makes sense,
Shane
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Hi, I'd like to know your opinion about the following problem :
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4256/toysmm0.th.jpg (http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toysmm0.jpg)
I'm given this table and I'm supposed to say in which Normal Form it is. I'm not sure but I guess in this specific case I need to consider both Toy_ID and Order_ID as primary key. Then one can see that Order_Date ist dependent on Order_ID but not on Toy_ID, then the table should be in 2NF, right ?
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Im sorry about the stupid questions!
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Etc etc :)
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http://www.btinternet.com/~peter_paterson/Access/SubFormDesign.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~peter_paterson/Access/SubformFormView.jpg
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