Database & Table Structure -- Bakery Question
May 25, 2006
Hi,
Context
I am a database novice currently in the process of building an access database to manage production in a manufacturing company.
Simplified Version of Problem
Suppose I wanted to build a database to manage the baking process at a bakery.
Goal is to eventually generate a report from this database that tells the baker i) which raw ingredients to use and ii) gives instructions on baking his cake from the raw ingredients.
I believe I would need the following tables:
tblRawIngredients --> contains all raw ingredients that the bakery purchases (as well as respective properties of those ingredients)
tblCake --> all cakes sold at the bakery (and their respective properties)
tblCakeIngredients --> For each cake, this table stores which Raw Ingredients are needed and in what quantities. This table links tblCake with tblIngredients in some sort of many-to-many relationship
tblCakeInstructions --> For each cake must give me instructions as to how to bake
Specific Question
How do you recommend setting-up tblCakeIngredients?
Given my inexperience, I am not sure which structure would be easiest to work with.
I could think of two options:
Option 1) Each record couples 1 ingredient with 1 cake.
The field list would be :
Cake (links to tblCake)
Ingredient (links to tblRawIngredients)
Quantity
In order to know the complete ingredient list for "Brownies" we'd have to pull all records where Cake = Brownies
Option 2) Each record gives the complete list of ingredients for a cake. The field list would therefore be
Cake(links to tblCake)
Ingredient_1 (links to tblRawIngredients)
Quantity_1
Ingredient_2 (links to tblRawIngredients)
Quantity_2
Ingredient_3 (links to tblRawIngredients)
Quantity_3
Ingredient_4 (links to tblRawIngredients)
Quantity_4
ETC....
Note that Ingredient_1, Ingredient_2 etc. all link to the same field (primary key) of tblRawIngredients. In this structure, cake could be the primary key.
In order to know the complete ingredient list for "Brownies" we'd pull up the 1 record where Cake = Brownies.
Which structure do you recommend? Why?
I am a little bit stuck on this problem and want to choose the best structure so that I can easily build on this structure and expand/ refine the database.
Thanks a lot!
Andre
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LastName, Text
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Address, Text
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Composer
Arranger
Type (Single Copy/octavo or book/collection)
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PublisherNumber
VoicingId, FK (From table with possible voicing)
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PublisherId, PK
PublisherName
PublisherAddress
PublisherPhone
PublisherWeb
PublisherContact
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ClassificationId, PK
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ServiceTypeId, FK (From table of types of performances – morning service, evening, etc)
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Speaker
Pianist
Organist
Introit
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Anthem
Meditation
Benediction
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Hello,
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Employee_runs_course (had to have this in order to avoid many-to-many.)
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Extra info:
Clients (tblCompany) can book one or many courses
A course can have one or many bookings made for it
A booking has one or many employees/courses
An employee can work on many bookings (obv if available)
Each employee has one or two expertise (usually only one)
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If you have a better way of designing it, shoot!
Attachment: ERD (kinda) of first draft.
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Non-expandable in terms of speaker quantity
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2. Option2
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3. Option3
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