Relational Database Principles

Jan 22, 2008

The first time a person tries to use Microsoft Access, they are likely to miss the whole point of what a database is and how to use it. When they start having trouble making it work for them, they think in terms of what they may be doing wrong in their use of the obvious tools of Access. But often their problem is that they are unfamiliar with the principles that make databases so useful and they have started with a flawed database schema.

This tutorial is intended to explain the underlying principles of relational databases. It is, admittedly, rather theoretical and perhaps even boring. But without an understanding of these principles, a beginner cannot hope to use Access for any really useful purpose. If you are a beginner, I urge you to read through the entire tutorial.

There are several issues that arise time and time again, such as:

. Storing multiple values in a field.
. Storing calculated values in a table.
. Determining primary keys.
. Using Autonumbers.
. How many tables does this database need?
. Why don't my queries work?

Sometimes answers in the forum make it sound like these things are a matter of preference, or "which is the best?" But in most cases, they are not--there are well established rules that determine the one correct answer. It is only with an understanding of the principles of relational database theory that you can determine the answers.

So I hope you will find it worth your time to study this 7-page tutorial. If you think you've found something in it that's incorrect, incomplete or impossible to understand, please feel free to contact me. I have been known to make mistakes!

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Hi folks, I'm new here - pretty hot at Excel but a total newbie at Access, So..

OK, I've got my database up and running. It keeps records of about 500 staff - everything is working fine but I now want to do stuff beyond my capabilities.. I've got a master record (Master Staff List) and a main input form (Data entry/amandment form). One of the input controls (via a sub-form) is for recording the time staff have spent working at a higher grade. Now if this was a one-off occurrence I could handle it but any one person could have multiple occasions that need recorded and I don't want to 'overwrite' the previous record. I have tried researching the problem and I think I need a 'one-to-many' relational table and a way to add a new period from the subform when required. The subform would also need to show blank when I opened it.

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The MemberID is displayed on the main form with the other information in a sub form.

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Hi there,

Having read many posts here regarding normalization, table designs with a view to avoiding duplication of data, avoiding storing of calculated contols into a field in a table (duplication as well as danger of keeping data updated, etc) - I would like to clarify something...

I've designed 2 databases, one sticking to the rules and one breaking them...

I hear the 'don't store' - calculate on demand principle - and this works well in the case of closing a new record where you 'store' a value by passing a subtotal from a subform to a field in the main form. All that passing of values works but there are time delays. Look at the time delay of summing a range of values in a form footer...bout half a second in general...So in this case, storing values fails...(incidentally is there an 'event' for this time delay a calculated control takes to show it's value in a form? - OnErrorCausedByDelayOfCalculatedControlToDisplayIt 'sValue?? Oops ignore the apostrophe ;-).....).

On the other hand you may want to work through many thousands of records, summarising all your data into reports, charts, etc...It just seems that if you stored each records 'total' (say an invoice total) it would be quicker for to work through thousands of 'ready stored numbers' rather than thousands of 'calculations to get those numbers'...or maybe I'm missing something!?

Sorry for all the fuss, but I'm self taught and I wish I wasn't LOL. I shoulda definitely done college instead of getting hooked on databases in my 30's)

And I'm also sorry if this question has been asked before, even under different wording...

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Hi

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The main form is a photo form with embedded subform showing the list of the sales related to the photo. This works well!

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I have relationships between photos and sales, and customer and sales. But it always shows a blank photo title field in the customer purchases list

This is a very brief outline and I can explain in more detail if some thinks they can help. So far the database looks good and mostly works but it is all a bit relevant if I cant get the customer purchases to automatically show the name of the photo sold.

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Description:
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