How to move some tables with data & procedures etc from 1 database to another in sql server 2005 express edition.
i did by scripting but i transfer tables and procedures and not data
data is the problem.
tnx
I have been programming an application with VC++ 2005 and SQL Server 2005. I have converted an old 16-bit database to 32-bit managed code and SQL server and the application seems to be good. Now I want to deploy the application to another server for testing.
I have installed XP SP2, Windows Installer 3.1, Net framework 2.0 and SQL Server 2005 express to the test server. I have transferred the application with WI 3.1 and the program works well in the test server till the first SQL command. I have made a back up of the database and restored it in the test server. In the test server I can log in the database with Server Management studio and I can read the data there correctly. I have enabled both named pipes and TCP/IP for the database in the test server. With Surface Area Configuration I have enabled Local and Remote Connections Using both TCP/IP and named pipes. I only need Windows authentication at this time.
After all this when I come to the first SQL command in the application on the test server I receive the error message:
An error has occurred while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to SQL Server 2005, this failure may be caused by the fact that under the default settings SQL Server does not allow remote connections. (provider: Named Pipes Provider, error: 40 Could not open a connection to SQL Server).
My connection string to the database is:
'connection->ConnectionString = "Persist Security Info=False; Integrated Security =SSPI;"
"Data Source=TESTSERVER; Initial Catalog=TESTDATABASE;";'
When I use "Data Source=DevelopmentServer", the application works well on the development server.
Can't understand what is still wrong. Can you possibly have an answer for me?
I am trying to load data from an Excel spreadsheet file into SQL Server 2005 Express. I understand that DTS is the best tool for doing this but from my research it appears that DTS is not available with the Express edition and the import wizard that does come with Express is not well suited for this type of conversion.
Does anyone have any suggestions for how to achieve this objective? Thanks for any help you can provide.
Hi,
I'm trying to learn some VB programming with the VB 2005 Express Absolute Beginner Series video tutorials (which I think is great) and have come across a problem that I can't solve.
When I follow the instructions in Lesson 9 (Databinding Data to User Interface Controls) my application will display the data from the database correctly and I can edit it (and as long as the debugger is running the data remains changed). However, the changes won't propagate back to the database. I don't get any error messages but after I edit the data, save (with the save button on the BindingNavigator toolbar), and end debugging the data in my database remains unchanged. When I use a MessageBox to show how many rows where edited/updated in the
Me.myTableTableAdapter.Update(Me.myDatabaseDataSet.myTable)
I get the correct number back. I'm sure the problem is not due to coding errors since I've also tried running the accompanying Lesson 9 project file that can be downloaded from MSDN and the problem persists.
I'm using Windows XP SP2, SQL Server 2005 Express Edition and VB 2005 Express Edition. I've tried installing SQL Server 2005 Express with a number of different settings, including default settings, but it doesn't make any difference.
Would greatly appreciate any feedback on this as I'm keen to resolve this problem so I can get on with the next tutorial lesson.
Thanks,
Ieyasu
Hi,
I have two SQL Express database and I want to do two things. One is to transfer a table over to the other database. Two, move the files from one table in one database to another. Please let me know when you get a chance.
Thanks,
Kyle
How do I view the data stored within SQL Express? What programs do I need to view the database information?
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Unfortunately, our software does not use 2005 Express. I tried it out, and now have a useless testing workstation that can't have MSDE 2000 installed again.
Any ideas on how to break the chain here are welcome.
I have to export data from SQL Server 2005 express to Access database. I have done many import/export using DTS package via SQL 2000. I don't have BI installed in my SQL SERVER 2005 Express. I understand that I have to use SSIS for sql server 2005. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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View 2 Replies View Relatedfollowing is the code which i am trying to use
it throws an error and dosent work.
error details:
Unable to cast object of type 'System.Data.Linq.DataQuery`1[tbl_temp_bank]' to type 'tbl_temp_bank'.
source code(aspx.vb file)
Dim c As New temp_business_bankDataContextDim tag = From t In c.tbl_temp_banks Where t.TIN = Convert.ToInt32(tin.Text) Select t
c.tbl_temp_banks.DeleteOnSubmit(tag)
c.SubmitChanges()
please can some one help me with this.thanks
Is there anyway to move tables without any indexes to a filegroup?
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Private Sub UpdateMemberTable()
Me.Validate()
Me.TblMembersBindingSource.EndEdit()
Me.TblMembersTableAdapter.Update(Me.ChurchFamilyDataSet.tblMembers)
Me.TblMemberDependentsBindingSource.EndEdit()
Me.TblMemberDependentsTableAdapter.Update(Me.ChurchFamilyDataSet.tblMemberDependents)
Me.TblMemberContributionsBindingSource.EndEdit()
Me.TblMemberContributionsTableAdapter.Update(Me.ChurchFamilyDataSet.tblMemberContributions)
End Sub
Hi all,
This is (probably) a simple question, but I'm new to SQL Server scripting.
What I want be able to do is move data from one table in a database to another table in the same database, once one of the fields (a date field) reaches a certain value.
Specifically, we are inserting rows into a table that are stamped with an insert date and an expiry date. When the expiry date is reached, we want to move the applicable row from the original table to an identically structured table.
Ideally, we want this to be a script that is run daily.
Does anyone have any ideas or examples that we could use.
Any help is much appreciated!
Tim
I imported a little over 9 million records into my database without "cleaning" the data.
I'm looking for suggestions on what would be the most efficient way to get all the fields to the correct types and to insert decimals on the fields that need them.
My only idea thus far is to make another table with the correct field types and append the data to the new table.
I have used backup and restore method to upgrage 2000 databases to 2005 database.
What do i need to do in order to for my application or users to use databse in 2005 and remove 2000
let me know
thanjs
Hi all,
I want to transfer all the data from one of my Ms Access tables to SQL Server table, using C#.
How can i do it?
Thanks in advance,
J.Jasmeeta.
Hi all,
I have an Ms Access table and a MsSql table. I am running a windows service in my localhost where the data from Ms access table will be copied to Ms sql table for every one minute. Before copying the data, the Ms sql table will be flushed inorder to avoid replicates.
Now i want to copy only the latest records updated within 1 min in Ms access table, to Ms sql table.
My Ms access table
Name Id
jas 100
meena 101
viji 102
My Ms sql table
Name Id
jas 100
meena 101
viji 102
After 1 min, say 2 records are added to my Ms access table like,
Name Id
jas 100
meena 101
viji 102
bhuvana 103
pinky 104
Now i want to insert only the latest records from Ms access to Ms sql like,
Name Id
jas 100
meena 101
viji 102
bhuvana 103
pinky 104
how to do this? thanx in advance.
Jasmeeta.
Hi,
Here is my scenario simplified.
tbl1
userid, secondaryid
tbl2
userID, secondaryID
tbl1 is already populated. I just want to transfer the secondary ID to tbl2 based on the userID. I don't want to store secondaryID in tbl1 anymore.
I need to move data from one table to another using variable percentages and business days.
Here is the basic idea:
Variables: varTable1, varTable2, varPercentage
Get varPercentage of rows of VarTable1 that have a date of "current business date -1" and place into varTable2.
We need to upgrade our HR system from SQL 2000 to SQL 2005. Support for SQL 2000 ends 12/31/2007.
We have a third party vender that do not currently support SQL 2005. Employee's data is transfered from our HR database to the third party database for the purpose of yearly performance evaluation on a daily basis.
Both databases are currenlty on a SQL 2000 server.
Can data be transferred from a SQL 2005 database to a SQL 2000 database?
Hi
I am wishing to
* take a table of data into a C# CLR procedure and store it in an array
* take a second table of data into this procedure row by row, and return a row (into a third table) for each row (and this returned row is based on the data in the array and the data in this row).
I am new to CLR programming, and pulling my hair out at the moment. Im sure that what Im trying to do is simple, but I am not making any progress with the on-line help and error messages L. I have now described what I am trying to do in more detail, firstly in English, and then in a T-SQL implementation that works (for this simple example). Im looking for the C# CLR code to be returned containing preferably two parts:
* the C# code and
* the CLR code to make it live
Since I am not sure where my coding is going wrong. (I think it should be possible to read in the one table, and then loop through thte second table, calculating and returning the necessary output as you do the calculations...
Problem in English
Consider a situation where there are three tables: DATATABLE, PARAMETERTABLE and RESULTSTABLE.
For each row in PARAMETERTABLE, I will calculate a row for RESULTSTABLE based on calculations involving all the entries form DATATABLE.
I am wishing to do this in a C# CLR for performance reasons, and because the functions I will be using will be significantly more complex, and recursively built up.
Consider the following table structures
DATATABLE [i int, datavalue real]
[1,12.5]
[2.10]
[3.14]
[4,17.5]
(where numberofrows is 4)
PARAMETERTABLE [parametera real, paramaterb real]
[10,2]
[11.7,1.1]
RESULTSTABLE [resultvalue real]
[20.5]
[18.26]
The values of the results table are calculated as the
sum (for i = 1 to numberofrows)
of
(Parameter1+i*parameterb-datavalue)^2
Which leads to the values shown.
T-SQL Implementation
-- Set up database and tables to use in example
USE master
GO
CREATE DATABASE QuestionDatabase
GO
sp_configure 'clr enabled', 1
GO
USE QuestionDatabase
GO
RECONFIGURE
GO
CREATE TABLE DataTable (i INT NOT NULL, DataValue REAL NOT NULL)
GO
CREATE TABLE ParameterTable (ParameterNumber INT NOT NULL, ParameterA REAL NOT NULL, ParameterB REAL NOT NULL)
GO
CREATE TABLE ResultsTable (ParameterNumber INT NOT NULL, ResultsValue REAL NOT NULL)
GO
--Initialise the Tables
INSERT INTO DataTable (i, DataValue) VALUES (1,12.5)
INSERT INTO DataTable (i, DataValue) VALUES (2,10)
INSERT INTO DataTable (i, DataValue) VALUES (3,14)
INSERT INTO DataTable (i, DataValue) VALUES (4,17.5)
INSERT INTO ParameterTable (ParameterNumber, ParameterA, ParameterB) VALUES (1, 10, 2)
INSERT INTO ParameterTable (ParameterNumber, ParameterA, ParameterB) VALUES (2, 11.7, 1.1)
-- The TSQL to be rewritten in C#, to produce the Output as hoped
INSERT INTO ResultsTable (ParameterNumber, ResultsValue)
SELECT ParameterNumber, SUM((parametera+i*parameterb-datavalue)*(parametera+i*parameterb-datavalue)) AS b
FROM DataTable
CROSS JOIN
ParameterTable
GROUP BY ParameterNumber
-- Output as hoped
SELECT * FROM DataTable
SELECT * FROM ParameterTable
SELECT * FROM ResultsTable
-- which produced
1 12.5
2 10
3 14
4 17.5
1 10 2
2 11.7 1.1
1 20.5
2 18.26
-- but I hope to do the same with something like:
CREATE ASSEMBLY *** FROM 'C:***.dll'
CREATE PROCEDURE GenerateResultsInCLR(@i int, @r1 real, @r2 real)
RETURNS TABLE (i int, r real)
EXTERNAL NAME ***.***.***
EXEC GenerateResultsInCLR
This is a simple example, that can be easily written in T-SQL. I am looking to develop things that are recursive in nature, which makes them unsuited to T-SQL, unless one is using cursors, but this becomes very slow when the parameter table has 1m records, and the data table 100k records. This is why the datatable must be read in once, and manipulated many times, and the manipulation will need to be in the form of a loop.
Thanks very much for your help.
Go well
Greg
Hi All,
We have a Progress DB in our Company. We are trying to move all the data to SQL Server 2005. When I try to run the Import Data task from SQL Server 2005 the radio button called "Copy data from one or more tables or views" is getting disabled and it is asking me to write a SQL script to copy all data from 120 tables.
I am using a .NET Framework Data Provider for ODBC when I run the Import Data task from SQL Server 2005.
I am using the DataDirect 4.1 32-Bit Progress SQL92 v9.1D ODBC Driver to connect to Progress DB. I am getting a connection but the copy feature is getting disabled.
Can anyone please help me to resolve this issue, or even if you provide me with some pointers that will be really helpful.
Thanks
Suresh
In order to export data to a 3rd party provider, I build five separate tables to store the data. Every table has a different layout, except for the first four columns. They are record type, SSN, employee id and another id number.
Basically, I have to sort that data by SSN then by record type. Each employee will have multiple records.
However, that data will need to be "merged" into one table to be exported.
I have created a table that defines the first four columns, but then has one large "filler" field that will contain the rest of the data. How can I copy data from five different tables with five different layouts into one table?
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Steve Hanzelman
Problem: Moving data from mysql to sql server 2005
I am trying to pull data over from mysql to sql server. First the import wizard greys out so I have to put in 1 query at a time which is pain. and second it does not even work! it takes me through the end of the wizard for me to click finish and then says oops it does not work. there was an error!
Anyway i tried going through the ssis route cuz its going to be a nightly job. i used the ado.net odbc connection. It worked but the performance is really not acceptable. it took 5 mins to import 24000 rows where as dts was taking 1 sec to do this. i wish i could use the native mysql odbc 3.51 connector and import. can some one give me step by step instructions on how to do that ?
I hear someone mentioned of using excute sql task which can use mysql odbc 3.51 driver. but since i am new how do i get it to work. say for example in the excute sql task i run a statement like select * from addr. then what?
cuz eventually i want the result to be saved in a sql server table called addr. How can i get the result from that excute sql task and put it inside of an addr table in sql server. should i save the result to a variable of type object. but then how do i get the data from object and tell sql server in the designer that the result contains these columns and it needs to map to these columns in the addr table of sql server.
Very confused. i wish the first option would have given me results which an enterprise ETL gives. but apparently it is too slow that it wont be acceptable in a production envrioment. when i will have millions of rows coming in .
Please anyone can help me in this.
Thanks for the help!
I have about 50,000 data entries to move from MS Access to SQL Server 2005 Express. There is no DTS in the tools. I already have the tables, just need to move the data. Appreciate any and all help.
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I have an excel sheet in which there is some data in sheet1,sheet2.I need to transfer this 2 sheets data to single table using a single package.How can i do this in SSIS.
thanks in advance
Pradeep
I used the code below to move the Model database and Model log file to new SAN drive locations.
After running the commands I stopped the SQL server and moved the physical files to the correct location.
Now I am unable to start SQL server, I get error 17204 Could not open file:Access is denied
I think the problem maybe that for FILENAME new_path I put "J:SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData"
but did not include model.mdf in the file path.
How do I correct the path now that SQL service won't start?
I have included the log file below.
ALTER DATABASE database_name MODIFY FILE ( NAME = logical_name , FILENAME = 'new_path/os_file_name' )
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server Microsoft SQL Server 2005 - 9.00.3042.00 (X64)
Feb 10 2007 00:59:02
Copyright (c) 1988-2005 Microsoft Corporation
Standard Edition (64-bit) on Windows NT 5.2 (Build 3790: Service Pack 2)
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server (c) 2005 Microsoft Corporation.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server All rights reserved.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server Server process ID is 3264.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server Authentication mode is MIXED.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server Logging SQL Server messages in file 'D:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLLOGERRORLOG'.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server This instance of SQL Server last reported using a process ID of 2648 at 9/11/2007 1:10:02 PM (local) 9/11/2007 8:10:02 PM (UTC). This is an informational message only; no user action is required.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server Registry startup parameters:
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server -d D:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLDATAmaster.mdf
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server -e D:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLLOGERRORLOG
2007-09-11 13:19:31.82 Server -l D:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLDATAmastlog.ldf
2007-09-11 13:19:31.84 Server SQL Server is starting at normal priority base (=7). This is an informational message only. No user action is required.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.84 Server Detected 4 CPUs. This is an informational message; no user action is required.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.96 Server Using dynamic lock allocation. Initial allocation of 2500 Lock blocks and 5000 Lock Owner blocks per node. This is an informational message only. No user action is required.
2007-09-11 13:19:31.98 Server Attempting to initialize Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator (MS DTC). This is an informational message only. No user action is required.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.00 Server Attempting to recover in-doubt distributed transactions involving Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator (MS DTC). This is an informational message only. No user action is required.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.00 Server Database mirroring has been enabled on this instance of SQL Server.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.00 spid5s Starting up database 'master'.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.09 spid5s SQL Trace ID 1 was started by login "sa".
2007-09-11 13:19:32.10 spid5s Starting up database 'mssqlsystemresource'.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.10 spid5s The resource database build version is 9.00.3042. This is an informational message only. No user action is required.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid5s Server name is 'SS02'. This is an informational message only. No user action is required.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Starting up database 'model'.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Error: 17207, Severity: 16, State: 1.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s FCB:pen: Operating system error 5(Access is denied.) occurred while creating or opening file 'J:SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData'. Diagnose and correct the operating system error, and retry the operation.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Error: 17204, Severity: 16, State: 1.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s FCB:pen failed: Could not open file J:SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData for file number 1. OS error: 5(Access is denied.).
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Error: 5120, Severity: 16, State: 101.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Unable to open the physical file "J:SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData". Operating system error 5: "5(Access is denied.)".
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Error: 17207, Severity: 16, State: 1.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s FCB:pen: Operating system error 5(Access is denied.) occurred while creating or opening file 'I:SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData'. Diagnose and correct the operating system error, and retry the operation.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Error: 17204, Severity: 16, State: 1.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s FCB:pen failed: Could not open file I:SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData for file number 2. OS error: 5(Access is denied.).
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Error: 5120, Severity: 16, State: 101.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Unable to open the physical file "I:SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData". Operating system error 5: "5(Access is denied.)".
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s File activation failure. The physical file name "I:SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData" may be incorrect.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Error: 945, Severity: 14, State: 2.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Database 'model' cannot be opened due to inaccessible files or insufficient memory or disk space. See the SQL Server errorlog for details.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s Could not create tempdb. You may not have enough disk space available. Free additional disk space by deleting other files on the tempdb drive and then restart SQL Server. Check for additional errors in the event log that may indicate why the tempdb files could not be initialized.
2007-09-11 13:19:32.26 spid9s SQL Trace was stopped due to server shutdown. Trace ID = '1'. This is an informational message only; no user action is required.
Hi,
I'm a newbie on SSIS and am trying to grasp my way through this.
I am trying to copy data from a Sql Server 2000 database to a simplified table in Sql Server 2005 database.
What I want is to move the data to a staging table, then drop the main
table and rename the staging table to the main table, to minimize the
down-time of the data. I can't get the workflow to work, because the
staging table has to exist when I run the package. I thought I could
use an "Execute SQL" task to generate the table before I would run the
task, but that doesn't work. Am I going about this the wrong way? Is
there an optimal solution to this problem so my data can be accessible
as much as possible.
Regards,
Atli
I'm trying to get a database from SQL2005 to SQL2000. I already recreated the database in SQL2005 and I'm just trying to get some data from just a few tables.
It doesn't appear the DTS or any export functionality is available in my version of SQL Express 2005...so how do I do this. I've tried installing everything I can find.
I've also tried BCP but I keep getting these errors:
SQLState = 08001, NativeError = 53
Error = [Microsoft][SQL Native Client]Named Pipes Provider: Could not open a connection to SQL Server [53].
SQLState = HYT00, NativeError = 0
Error = [Microsoft][SQL Native Client]Login timeout expired
SQLState = 08001, NativeError = 53
Error = [Microsoft][SQL Native Client]An error has occurred while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to SQL Server 2005, this failure may be caused by the fact that under the default settings SQL Server does not allow remote connections.
This is a LOCAL database and I have tried -T for trusted, I have also tried a username and password combination. The database is set to Allow Remote connections. Nothing is working.
Hello:
I am running on mssql 6.5, sp4. We have been trying to use EM transfer manager to move one test database on one server to another database on another server.
We are dealing with 135 tables on this database. The transfer works up until about the 80th atble and then just dies but the scheduled task says it failed and check error log. The transfer creates the tables on the destination database but only loads the data until this one table.
WE use all of the options in EM Transfer manager which are st as defaults.
THere is no one on the source or destination databases locking this table.
Other smaller databases were successfully transferred from one database on one server to the other database on the other server without any problems today and yesterday.
Has any one run across something like this?
THanks.
David Spaisman
I have moved my databases to 2000 to instance of 2005 on the same server.
Now i set databases offline in 2000 as i did upgrade use backup & recovery method.
& my connection string
Password=test;Persist Security Info=True;User ID=test;Initial Catalog=databasename;Data Source=ipaddress
i was using above connection string to connect when using 2000 databases form applications in the production machine
I get the following error when i am running my applications now after moving to 2005
An error has occurred while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to SQL Server 2005, this failure may be caused by the fact that under the default settings SQL Server does not allow remote connections. (provider: Named Pipes Provider, error: 40 - Could not open a connection to SQL Server)
IS it because i have two server on one server or
What do i need to do in order to fix this....tried several thing by searching nothing worked out..
Let me know
thanks
So I have two tables with similar columns etc, unfortunately the Insert to the History table fails. Noto sure how to format.
Source Table.
CREATE TABLE [dbo].[SKUCURRENT](
[UID] [int] IDENTITY(1,1) NOT NULL,
[SKU] [nvarchar](100) NOT NULL,
[WHSELOC] [nvarchar](50) NOT NULL,
[WEIGHT] [nvarchar](50) NOT NULL,
[Code] ....