** Problem Installing Sql 2005 On Win Vista Home Premium **
Oct 19, 2007
Hello
What is the minimum vista version required for SQL 2005 installation ? I have Win Vista Home Premium on my new laptop computer, and enabled IIS on it. When I tried to install SQL 2005 developer edition on it, it reported lots of errors
and Reporting Services was not even available to select even though IIS itself was enabled.
Can some one please help me install sql server 2005 and reporting services on win vista home premium ?
Thanks
Ramesh.Rao
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Jun 6, 2007
I have not been able to get iis to be seen correctly. I have turned on every service with IIS7 available and still get warning IIS in not running. I have changed computer name to all caps and I am running on admin account. I see IIS7 when I run localhost. What is wrong here. When I go on to install system I get stuck at detecting installed IIS. As I move forward with install owc, DB services,Notification, Intagrated, and workstation components all fail. I cant move onto sp2 because nothing is installed. I have worked on this for months off and on and now I have to have it running for deadline. Any help would be appreciated. I also have VS2005 and office 2007 on this system. I have worked on this the past two days solid and I have to have it now.
Jeff
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Apr 10, 2008
Hi,
When I try to install MS SQL Server 2005 on my computer, I receive an error message:
The SQL Server System Configuration Checker cannot be executed due to WMI configuration
on the machine Error:2147942405(0x80070005)
Does anyone know what I can do to install SQL Server?
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Apr 17, 2008
Hi,
I have Vista Home premium edition and trying to install SQL Server developer edition 2005 as local administrator. I have already enabled IIS 7 and have Office Ultimate 2007 installed. When I run the set up program, I get a warning titled "Program Compatibility Assistant" that my Operating system may not be compatible with the version of sql server I am installing. It says after setup is complete, I should run SP2 of SQL Server 2005 with 3 buttons as "Check for solutions online", "run this program" and "cancel"...
My question, should I select "run this program" and after the setup completes, download SP2 and apply the patch?
I read some articles in forums that sounds like lot of issues to get sql server working on vista. Can some one direct me to correct options. This is my wife's machine so I dont want to experiment too much and blow her machine away. Please help.
Thanks,
Gaja
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Aug 31, 2007
I'm trying (and failing) to get a definitive answer from various MS web sites as to whether or not SQL Server Developer Edition will run on Windows Vista Home (Premium)
I've just taken delivery of a shiny new laptop preinstalled with the above, and was looking for some reassurance before shelling out for the software (granted, it's not a lot of money, but even so...)
Mark
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Oct 5, 2007
I've tried everything that I can find on this forum and elsewhere. I CAN'T INSTALL MS SQL 2005 Express on Vista Home Premium 32bit!!!!!! Please! Can someone help??
The error I receive is as follows:
The SQL Server System Configuration Checker cannot be executed due to WMI configuration on the machine NOTPIT-PC Error:2147749907 (0x80041013).
I'm dying here, my productivity is shot... I'm thining about cleaning out my system and going back to XP Pro...
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Nov 19, 2007
sql server 2005 standard version on vista home premium is giving following error if i try to browse the Stored procedures on a remote server
TITLE: Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio
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Failed to retrieve data for this request. (Microsoft.SqlServer.SmoEnum)
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
A transport-level error has occurred when receiving results from the server. (provider: TCP Provider, error: 0 - The specified network name is no longer available.) (Microsoft SQL Server, Error: 64)
System Information
Windows Vista Home Premium
SQL server 2005 standard edition with service pack
Everything works fine from my other machine with xp installed on it..
I tried increasing the connection timeout time ans execution time but no success ..
Please Microsoft guys please help its urgent...
Thanks in advance...
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Mar 8, 2007
Hi Every One,
I am trying to install SQL Server 2005 on Windows Vista Home Premium edition, when I run the Installer I received are the following error message.
IIS Feature Requirement (Warning)
Messages
IIS Feature Requirement
Microsoft Internet Information Services (IIS) is either not installed or is disabled. IIS is required by some SQL Server features. Without IIS, some SQL Server features will not be available for installation. To install all SQL Server features, install IIS from Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel or enable the IIS service through the Control Panel if it is already installed, and then run SQL Server Setup again. For a list of features that depend on IIS, see Features Supported by Editions of SQL Server in Books Online.
I already configure IIS7 with all feature, but system still generate above mentioned message.
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Aug 20, 2007
I could not install SQL Server 2005 Developer edition on my notebook with os Vista Home Premium. I know about the SP2 thing...but before coming that point, I can not either install the SQL Server 2005...
When installing,when the database services point comes it gives an error about user thing...and then installation starts to rollback...
I check the IIS configuration from the net...And see that while activating IIS there is no option for Windows Auth. in Home Premium in Control Panel>Program...>Windows Programs.....etc....
SO ON VISTA HOME PREMIUM is SQL SERVER 2005 Dev. Edition can be installed or not?
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May 19, 2007
During the install, I receive this message:
"Microsoft Internet Information Services (IIS) is either not installed or is disabled. IIS is required by some SQL Server features. Without IIS, some SQL Server features will not be available for installation. To install all SQL Server features, install IIS from Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel or enable the IIS service through the Control Panel if it is already installed, and then run SQL Server Setup again. For a list of features that depend on IIS, see Features Supported by Editions of SQL Server in Books Online."
So, I went to the following and did everything documented about installing IIS 7.0.
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa964620.aspx
After installing IIS and verifying that it is serving pages just fine, when I try to install again, I still get the quoted error message above.
I am beginning to think that I cannot install SQL Server Developer on Vista Home Premium.
Does anyone know?
Thanks
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Mar 9, 2008
I have tried to install SQL Server 2005 Express several times with no success. I have followed the instructions to remove all SQL files on the Programs menu.
Then, when I attempt to install it again, it only goes as far as the database where it stops and gives the error message:
SQL Server cannot write system databases to C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLData because it contains files from a previous installation. To continue, move the databases from the specified folder, or specify a different installation folder. Then run SQL Server Setup again.
It doesn't give options and I can only abort the installation.
Does anyone have a remedy for a technologically challenged person?
Thank you.
George
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May 4, 2007
I have Vista Home premium installed on my system. I installed SQL server 2005 express SP2. When I am trying to attach Advetureworks database by using following script, i get the following error.I am logged in as administrator.What kind of permission i have to set so that i can install the database.Any help will be appreciated.Script is :
EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = N'AdventureWorks',
@filename1 = N'C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLDataAdventureWorksDW_Data.mdf',
@filename2 = N'c:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLDataAdventureWorksDW_log.ldf' ;
Error is :
Msg 5120, Level 16, State 101, Line 1
Unable to open the physical file "C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL.1MSSQLDataAdventureWorksDW_Data.mdf". Operating system error 5: "5(Access is denied.)".
Regards
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Oct 8, 2007
Hi. I've been trying to install Sql Server 2005 express on Vista Home Premium. After the initial files install, I get an error message that says the WMI configuration is not correct. (I'm not at home, so I can't post the exact error code at the moment). Does anyone have any ideas on how I can fix this? Thanks in advance.
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Apr 1, 2008
I installed SQL Server 2005 Enterprise trial on Vista Home Premium. In the process of trying to get SQL Server Management Studio installed I ended up removing everything. Now when I try to install any tool, service, or database of SQL Server 2005 (Enterprise or SQLExpress) the install fails and says that a newer version is already installed but nothing is installed. Rollback my restore points fails too. Seems like I need to clean up the registry somehow????
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Sep 5, 2007
I am just wondering....
Has ANYONE actually gotten Reporting Services to install under Windows Vista Home Premium?!?!
I have gone through every possible fix, KB Article and anecdote and I STILL can't get it to install. Every IIS option is there that should be there.
In all honesty, what was Microsoft thinking? I'll make RS compatible with every OS we offer EXCEPT this one...
What truly bites is now that Visat is out, it is almost impossible to buy a new laptop/PC without it. Looks like it's nuke my new laptop and install XP...great...
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Feb 5, 2008
Trying to install SQL Server 2005 Express and can't get SSIS to install - I keep getting message that IIS is not installed or enabled, however IIS 7.0 is installed and all features are enabled. I'm running VISTA home premium. Is this the problem?
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Mar 11, 2007
I am using Vista Home Premium, Sql 2005 Sp2 & IIS 7.0
I tried to install Reporting service on Vista home premium. Got message there is compatability issue with this version of Windows. Then i check support website and downloaded SP2. BUT CANT STILL INSTALL REPORTING SERVICE ON MY SYSTEM.
Have tried all solution but i think problem is with windows authentication. which is creating problem for me.
Can Someone Help......?
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Mar 14, 2007
Hi,
I have been trying to install SQL Express SP2 (SQLEXPR32.exe) on a Window Vista Home Premium for past 2 days . After failing I tried installing SQLEXPR_ADV. (Maybe I have a corrupted download, desperate enough to try anything.). However it keeps showing the following error:
SQL Server Setup Failed to compile the Managed Object Format (MOF) file C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Sharedsqlmgmproviderxpsp2up.mof. To proceed, see "Troubleshooting an Installation of SQL Server 2005" or "How to: View SQL Server 2005 Setup Log Files" in SQL Server 2005 Setup Help documentation.
I have search through the forums. One of the possibilities is due to a WMI repository corruption. Tried fixing it, but the problem still persists. (Maybe I am doing it the wrong way , I have downloaded the WMIDiag scripts, not too sure if i ran it correctly).
Below is the installation summary:
Microsoft SQL Server 2005 9.00.3042.00
==============================
OS Version : Home Edition (Build 6000)
Time : Thu Mar 15 02:13:51 2007
ATLANTIS : Microsoft Internet Information Services (IIS) is either not installed or is disabled. IIS is required by some SQL Server features. Without IIS, some SQL Server features will not be available for installation. To install all SQL Server features, install IIS from Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel or enable the IIS service through the Control Panel if it is already installed, and then run SQL Server Setup again. For a list of features that depend on IIS, see Features Supported by Editions of SQL Server in Books Online.
Machine : ATLANTIS
Product : Microsoft SQL Server Setup Support Files (English)
Product Version : 9.00.3042.00
Install : Successful
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGFilesSQLSetup0013_ATLANTIS_SQLSupport_1.log
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Machine : ATLANTIS
Product : Microsoft SQL Server Native Client
Product Version : 9.00.3042.00
Install : Successful
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGFilesSQLSetup0013_ATLANTIS_SQLNCLI_1.log
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Machine : ATLANTIS
Product : Microsoft SQL Server VSS Writer
Product Version : 9.00.3042.00
Install : Successful
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGFilesSQLSetup0013_ATLANTIS_SqlWriter_1.log
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Machine : ATLANTIS
Product : SQL Server Database Services
Error : SQL Server Setup Failed to compile the Managed Object Format (MOF) file C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Sharedsqlmgmproviderxpsp2up.mof. To proceed, see "Troubleshooting an Installation of SQL Server 2005" or "How to: View SQL Server 2005 Setup Log Files" in SQL Server 2005 Setup Help documentation.
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Machine : ATLANTIS
Product : Microsoft SQL Server 2005
Product Version : 9.2.3042.00
Install : Failed
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGFilesSQLSetup0013_ATLANTIS_SQL.log
Last Action : InstallFinalize
Error String : SQL Server Setup Failed to compile the Managed Object Format (MOF) file C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Sharedsqlmgmproviderxpsp2up.mof. To proceed, see "Troubleshooting an Installation of SQL Server 2005" or "How to: View SQL Server 2005 Setup Log Files" in SQL Server 2005 Setup Help documentation.
Error Number : 29513
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What are the other possibilities and fixes? Please help.
Thanks a million.
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Nov 29, 2007
Hi,
We have an application using SQL Express as the back end.
One of our clients has two machines both running Vista Home Premium
One of the Home Premium machines has SQL Express installed on it as well as our application - it is acting as a server.
The other machine is networked to it. The application will run but cannot establish a connection to SQL server.
I have done the following:
Set remote access on
Enabled named pipes and TCP/IP
Enabled SQL Browser
Set VIA on
Restarted SQL and rebooted the Machine.
Disabled the firewall on the host and workstation
Is there anything I'm missing here? I was able to get the installation running on a Vista Business machine to Vista Ultimate machine with no issues.
Thanks
Sam
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Feb 19, 2008
Hi, I'm having a problem installing SQL2005 Developer on Windows Vista.
At the System Configuration check page, I'm getting the IIS Feature Requirement item telling me IIS is not installed or disabled. This is not the case.
I have read article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920201 and switched on the IIS components as specified.
I've tried installing with Firewall, virus checker etc switched off. Every time I get the same problem. This is an issue, as I specifically need Reporting Services installed.
Has anyone managed to solve this problem ?
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May 8, 2007
I have recently updated from XP to Vista Home Premium. Now when I try to install SQL Serve Express SP2 I get :
"setup has detected problem with .net framework installation
and cannot proceed. Microsoft .net framework 2.0 is either not installed or
is corrupt."
I have tried to run sfc /scannow to make sure my .NET 2.0 was not corrupted and also was running as an administrator but could not get it installed. Anyone has any ideas?
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Sep 5, 2007
I have SQL Express 2005 SP2 installed in my Vista Home Premium. I am using SQL Server Management Studio Express to manage .mdf.
When I click "Add..." to attach .mdf database, I have this prompt error message :
The server principal "My-PCMyName" is not able to access the database "model" under the current security context. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error: 916)
I have elevated the rights, "Run as administrator", of my SQL Server Management Studio Express, but still having problem.
I also encounter security error when detaching the existing .mdf :
The EXECUTE permission was denied on the object 'sp_detach_db', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error: 229)
Please advice. Thanks.
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Mar 22, 2008
i m trying to install sql server 2005 dev edition n window vista home primium.but onll book online part is installed.how can i install it.
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Dec 21, 2007
is it possible to install SQL Server 2005 on Windows XP Home. ?
is it possible ot install SQL 2005 on windows vista ultimate?
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Jan 23, 2008
I have windows vista home with IIS installed in it. In microsoft download website I found 5 related links. I downloaded all of them. none of them says it is compatible with vista. and accordingly none of them after installing worked properly.
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Dec 26, 2007
hi,
Can we install SQL Server 2005 on MS Windows Vista Home Edition???
Please guide..
Thanks
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Jul 26, 2007
hi
i have windows vista home basic.I am trying to install sql server 2005.
I have two issue:
1)Its always throwing a popup window saying sql server has a know issue and do you want to continue.
2)I am not able to connect to any database engine.
Please help.
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Jul 26, 2007
hi
i have windows vista home basic.I am trying to install sql server 2005.
I have two issue:
1)Its always throwing a popup window saying sql server has a know issue and do you want to continue.
2)I am not able to connect to any database engine.
Please help.
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Nov 3, 2006
As the subject says, I am getting an error installing SQL Express 2005 SP1 on XP Home/SP2. I have never had a previous version of SQL server installed. I have never had Visual Studio installed. I have tried extracting the setup files and running from a different directory. I have tried installing the advanced package as well with the same results.
When I run the setup, the Client and support files are successfully installed. It then goes on to the system analysis, where I get one warning about my hardware but I have checked the help file and my system appears to meet the system requirements. After I click Next from this window is where I get the error,
"Error writing to file: Access is denied.
. Verify that you have access to that directory."
After looking into the log files I see this,
Error Code: 0x80070005 (5) Windows Error Text: Access is denied. Source File Name: t:yukonsqlsetupdarwinsqlcastubstreamca.cpp Compiler Timestamp: Wed Dec 21 16:49:23 2005 Function Name: streamBinaryToDisk Source Line Number: 238 Error 1304. Error writing to file: Access is denied. . Verify that you have access to that directory.
Does anyone know what is wrong? I have installed this on many W2K machines at work as well as installed the full version of SQL Server 2005. I have never seen these errors on any of those machines. This is the first XP machine I have ever tried to install on so I am not sure if this is an OS problem or not.
Thanks in advance.
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Feb 10, 2008
Hi, I am running SQL Server 2005 x64 DE on Vista x64. I installed MS VS 2005 Pro. Edition. During the setup of VS, I did a custom install, un-checking the SQL Express addition box. After installation, I received errors that indicated the SQL Express did not install. Even though I do not have SQL Express installed on my machine, MS Update says that I need SQL Express SP2. My SQL DE is up to date with SP2 and MS Update indicates as "optional" that I need SQL SP2.
Is SQL Express a necessity for VS Pro? If not, why is MS Update indicating that I need SQL Express SP2? In addition, why is MS Update telling me I need SQL SP2 when it is already installed?
Note: I installed SQL SP2 manually, not through MS Update. This makes me believe that MS Update is not detecting it.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help,
Abel
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May 7, 2008
I installed sql server 2005 sp2 including business intelligence development suite , however I got a message
some client components not compablitable .This morning I searched my programs and found that I have new
visual studio 2005 on my computer (before I just had vs 2008) as well as business intelligence
developer (which does not work) It seems I I would like to get rid of vs 2005 also
fix business intelligence studio . Previously I deleted vs 2005 express off my computer........(I have vista
and I would only like to keep tools meant for sql standard 2005 reporting services etc
here is a list of my sql sp2 install package
By the way I doubled clicked sql_tools.msi and did not run as administrator
Does that make a difference? I wonder if this is a problem with vs 2008 and sql 2005......
Time: 05/06/2008 20:49:23.437
KB Number: KB921896
Machine: BILLPREC690
OS Version: Professional (Build 6000)
Package Language: 1033 (ENU)
Package Platform: x86
Package SP Level: 2
Package Version: 3042
Command-line parameters specified:
Cluster Installation: No
**********************************************************************************
Prerequisites Check & Status
SQLSupport: Passed
**********************************************************************************
Products Detected Language Level Patch Level Platform Edition
Setup Support Files ENU 9.00.1399.06 x86
Database Services (MSSQLSERVER) ENU RTM 2005.090.1399.00 x86 STANDARD
Analysis Services (MSSQLSERVER) ENU RTM 2005.090.1399.00 x86 STANDARD
Reporting Services (MSSQLSERVER) ENU RTM 9.00.1399.00 x86 STANDARD
Notification Services ENU RTM 9.00.1399.00 x86 STANDARD
Integration Services ENU RTM 9.00.1399.00 x86 STANDARD
SQL Server Native Client ENU 9.00.3042.00 x86
Client Components ENU RTM 9.00.1399.06 x86 STANDARD
SQLXML4 ENU 9.00.1399.06 x86
Backward Compatibility ENU 8.05.1054 x86
Microsoft SQL Server VSS Writer ENU 9.00.1399.06 x86
**********************************************************************************
Products Disqualified & Reason
Product Reason
**********************************************************************************
Processes Locking Files
Process Name Feature Type User Name PID
SQLWriter Microsoft SQL Server VSS Writer Service 2700
**********************************************************************************
Product Installation Status
Product : Setup Support Files
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixRedist9_Hotfix_KB921896_SqlSupport.msi.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Product : Database Services (MSSQLSERVER)
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Reboot Required
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixSQL9_Hotfix_KB921896_sqlrun_sql.msp.log
Error Number : 3010
Error Description :
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Product : Analysis Services (MSSQLSERVER)
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixOLAP9_Hotfix_KB921896_sqlrun_as.msp.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
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Product : Reporting Services (MSSQLSERVER)
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixRS9_Hotfix_KB921896_sqlrun_rs.msp.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
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Product : Notification Services
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixNS9_Hotfix_KB921896_sqlrun_ns.msp.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
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Product : Integration Services
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixDTS9_Hotfix_KB921896_sqlrun_dts.msp.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
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Product : SQL Server Native Client
Product Version (Previous): 3042
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixRedist9_Hotfix_KB921896_sqlncli.msi.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
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Product : Client Components
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Reboot Required
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixSQLTools9_Hotfix_KB921896_sqlrun_tools.msp.log
Error Number : 3010
Error Description :
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Product : SQLXML4
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixRedist9_Hotfix_KB921896_sqlxml4.msi.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
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Product : Backward Compatibility
Product Version (Previous): 1054
Product Version (Final) : 2004
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixRedist9_Hotfix_KB921896_SQLServer2005_BC.msi.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
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Product : Microsoft SQL Server VSS Writer
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) : 3042
Status : Success
Log File : C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL Server90Setup BootstrapLOGHotfixRedist9_Hotfix_KB921896_SqlWriter.msi.log
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
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**********************************************************************************
Summary
Success, Reboot Required
Exit Code Returned: 3010
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Mar 6, 2008
Hi,
I'm about to purchase a new development laptop and want to ensure I won't have any issues installing SQL Server 2005 on Windows Vista.
I can see from http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143506.aspx that it is possible but states that SQL Server 2005 SP2 must be installed.
My install CD is for SQL Server Developer Edition without SP1 or SP2. Will I be able to install off this and then install SP2 afterwards or will I encounter problems because I need SP2 present on the install media?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Gavin.
www.gavinharriss.com
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Feb 20, 2007
Ok ive tried looking everywhere for a solution but i just cant find one... please help me
I need to install SQL Server 2005 (for reporting services mainly) on Vista, but i have issues.
I have installed IIS and its checked in the pre-installation checklist, and the only thing with an exclamation point is the OS which is to be expected.
The issue im having is that when i get to the screen to select the features/components i want to install, they are all disabled apart from "Workstation components, Books online etc..."
Where am i going wrong with this.. I know i need the services pack to install reporting services, but i cant install anything at this point.
A walkthrough or something would really help...
Thanks!
Robert Macnair
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