I have just started using ASP.net.I have to develop a system that attaches word and PDF files to form. I also need to be able to do a full text search on the documents attached.I'm currently using SQL server 2000 as my backend DBMS, but I have never used it to attach files. My mates recommend using BLOGS but I'm not sure how to do this and I'm not sure if I can do a full text search using this solution.Could some body please recommend a solution to get me started.Thanks in advancedPaddy
We've tried attaching the mdf files given to us by some customers using the script they've provided, too.
I created the database with the corresponding names, and tried to run their script. However, I get the message "The media family on device 'D:DatabaseDVVAD01.mdf' is incorrectly formed. SQL Server cannot process this media family."
What could possibly have gone wrong? Is it also possible that the file was not properly detached, or what?
I am currently having a problem in the implementation of a Database for my C#.net winform application.
Look at the 2 diagrams below:
Diagram 1 : A typical databse design where it usees only 1 mdf file.
Diagram 2: A new proposed approach to implement the Database with multiple mdf files of the same schema!!
In the new proposal of the DB, each mdf files is kept separately and an additional module is required to attach and detach these databases as and when required. The purpose: the performance of all actions on the small data is not affected by the size of the large data
How does this 2 methods measure up in terms of resource usage, performance, etc??
hello, (this was originally posted in Administration Forum)
I am helping out with a disaster recovery of a database and i was given 4 files. 2 MDF and 2 LDF files. When I try to attach the files to SQL Server I recieve this err msg:
Server: Msg 823, Level 24, State 6, Line 1 I/O error (torn page) detected during read at offset 0000000000000000 in file 'E:chivirtualGPS0Dat.mdf'. Connection Broken
I then tried many other combinations hoping something would work --> tried individual files, just data files, tried to create a new DB and then switching/replacing out with the files i needed...etc, nothing seems to work for me. The people I am trying to help out do NOT have backups.
Hello, I am using the full version of sql server 2005 management studio to attempt to attach sql express mdf files to sql server 2005.
I was using the databases from an ASP.NET commerce starter kit in sql express. I want to update to sql server 2005, so i detached the dbs. i deleted the sql express management studio ctp and installed sql server 2005 from the free 6 month trial available online.
I then attempted to attach the sql express files to sql server 2005 and get the following error:
TITLE: Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio ------------------------------
Attach database failed for Server '<servername>'. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Smo)
For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&ProdVer=9.00.1399.00&EvtSrc=Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Smo.ExceptionTemplates.FailedOperationExceptionText&EvtID=Attach+database+Server&LinkId=20476
------------------------------ ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: An exception occurred while executing a Transact-SQL statement or batch. (Microsoft.SqlServer.ConnectionInfo) ------------------------------
Could not find row in sysindexes for database ID 9, object ID 1, index ID 1. Run DBCC CHECKTABLE on sysindexes. Could not open new database 'C:INETPUBWWWROOT<location>ASPNET.MDF'. CREATE DATABASE is aborted. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error: 602)
For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&EvtSrc=MSSQLServer&EvtID=602&LinkId=20476
I also tried with the original mdf files i had downloaded without making any changes.
I have a database that consists of 4 files (1 MDF, 2 NDF's and 1 LDF-file). I can confirm that by running:
select name from sys.database_files
The result is: Adam_Data Adam_Log Adam_FullText Adam_History
About a year ago this database had 3 more NDF-files, but we moved all the objects that were stored in these secondary datafiles to the other datafiles and removed them completely from the database. This operation worked correctly otherwise the sys.database_files view would have returned more files I assume.
Everything works perfectly with this database until I try to detach and reattach it. If I detach this database and immediately try to attach it again on the same server using Sql Server Management Studio it wants me to attach 7 database files! The 4 database files that are still being used by this database (which is perfectly valid), but it also wants me to attach the 3 old database files which obviously don't exist anymore and that aren't even reported by the sys.database_files view. Is there anything I can do to make sure that an attach of this database will work again? How can I completely remove these old database files?
I can detach/attach SSAS database.But I have a software that protects(backs up) the files of the SSAS Database.
What the customer needs is to be able to take these backed up files and port it to a different server and attach it there.But the new server complains that these files have no corresponding detach-log files.
The customer doesn't want to backup and restore the SSAS databases.
I have a Windows Server 2012 R2 2 node cluster with SQL Server 2014 FCI installed. Data files are on a separate Windows Server 2012 R2 file server. Data files share has been permissioned to the SQL Server service and SQL Server Agent service accounts as Full Control. NTFS Permissions are Full Control.
When I try to attach a database CREATE DATABASE AdventureWorksDW2012 ON (FILENAME = 'apricotmssql_VIOLETMSSQL12.MSSQLSERVERMSSQLDATAAdventureWorksDW2012_Data.mdf') FOR ATTACHI get this error: Msg 5120, Level 16, State 101, Line 4 Unable to open the physical file "apricotmssql_VIOLETMSSQL12.MSSQLSERVERMSSQLDATAAdventureWorksDW2012_Data.mdf". Operating system error 5: "5(Access is denied.)".
If I log into the file server (called APRICOT) and look at the NTFS permissions they all look good. I have also reapplied the NTFS permissions from the root folder down.
EDIT If I log on to one of the nodes in the cluster as the SQL Server service account and navigate to apricotmssql_VIOLETMSSQL12.MSSQLSERVERMSSQLDATA and copy and paste the data file, it works fine.
EDIT2: If I log on to the file server and Enable Inheritance at the root level, then Replace all child objects with inheritable permission entries from this object, I get this error:
User Account Control settings on all nodes and the file server are set to Never notify
Forgive my ignorance, but I'm just working thru some examples, and I tried to reattach a db to another server, without the log file I created for the db. Having reattached it, it worked fine - without the log file??? Where does it make any log records? Why didn't it complain?
Hi GuysI'm recovering from a hard disk crash, trying to reattach recoveredfiles.The MDF file seems fine, but I get:"Server: Msg 9004, Level 23, State 1, Line 1An error occurred while processing the log for database'NetCoverAdmin'."when I try to include the LDF file. My command was:EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = N'NetCoverAdmin',@filename1 = N'c:Program FilesMicrosoft SQLServerMSSQLDataNetcoverAdmin_Data.MDF',@filename2 = N'c:Program FilesMicrosoft SQLServerMSSQLDataNetcoverAdmin_Log.LDF'Is there any way I can restore the database without the LDF file?My backups where on another disk that mysteriously failed at the sametime, so I have to work what I got...Any help appreciated!!Thanks
I have been asked to edit a web based database and have been given the site on cd. I have installed IIS, sql server express and Visual Web Developer express. I am having problems getting the mdf database connected. It works at the school where they have it installed and as far as I know I have mirrored the configuration they have on one of my test servers. The database is in App_Data the connection string is "Data Source=.SQLEXPRESS;AttachDbFilename=c:inetpubwwwrootApp_Datacampbell.mdf;Integrated Security=True;User Instance=True" And the state is closed. When I view one of the aspx pages in IE I get the following.
Server Error in '/' Application.
Configuration Error Description: An error occurred during the processing of a configuration file required to service this request. Please review the specific error details below and modify your configuration file appropriately. Parser Error Message: It is an error to use a section registered as allowDefinition='MachineToApplication' beyond application level. This error can be caused by a virtual directory not being configured as an application in IIS.Source Error:
Line 6: <compilation defaultLanguage="vb" debug="true" /> Line 7: <customErrors mode="Off" /> Line 8: <authentication mode="Windows" /> Line 9: <trace enabled="false" requestLimit="10" pageOutput="false" traceMode="SortByTime" localOnly="true" /> Line 10: <sessionState mode="InProc" stateConnectionString="tcpip=127.0.0.1:42424" sqlConnectionString="data source=127.0.0.1;user id=sa;password=" cookieless="false" timeout="20" />Source File: c:inetpubwwwrootappcampbell_houseweb.config Line: 8 The common error is: "Error 1 It is an error to use a section registered as allowDefinition='MachineToApplication' beyond application level. This error can be caused by a virtual directory not being configured as an application in IIS. c:inetpubwwwrootAppCampbell_HouseWeb.config 8 " When I test the database connection I get a message The header file for 'c:inetpubwwwrootApp_Datacampbell.mdf ' is not a valid database file header. The File Size property is incorrect. An attempt to attach an auto named database for file 'c:inetpubwwwrootApp_Datacampbell.mdf ' failed.A database with the same name existsor the specified file cannot be opened or it is located on a UNC share Any help would be great.
Haven't posted in a while but got great advice the last time I did - http://www.dbforums.com/t573220.html I hope someone can give me some advice this time.
Due to a flawed Microsoft hotfix the o/s on which my SQL Server was trashed completely causing me to lose some databases completely. The o/s and SQL Server have now been reinstalled (same version as before).
I have about 716 databases and logfiles which I need to re-attach to the server. I don't have the old master db or a db of all the database names. I was thinking I could write an asp script using FSO to get all the database & log file names & paths and attach them using sp_attach_db.
If anyone knows an easier way to do it or has advice to give, I would be really greatful.
Hi, Im not new to SQL Server but I am new to v.2005. We have done a class project and to finish up I am creating schemas, logins and different user roles and permissions. I now need to detach the DB and send it to our team leader for submission. I'm scared to do this because I don't know if all the logins and passwords I've created will appear in it's new location. Will they be there in the new server's security folder just as I created them or will they dissapear into the ether? Signed: Sweating very much
It is better to be prepared and not have an opportunity than to not be prepared and have an opportunity
I am using SQL Server Management Studio with SQL Server 2005. On my development SQL server, I have developers using a database named TestData. An off-site developer has sent new versions of TestData.MDF and TestData.LDF. I want to attach this new database to the same development server for testing, without overwriting the existing database in use by the developers. How can I rename this new TestData to something like TestDataNew while attaching it? I only have the MDF and LDF files.
The situation : I am making mass changes to my program and database. The goal is to not make changes to the database at the customer sites, but to clone their current database, and work with that one.
The solution: I wrote code and queries to detach the database, copy it to another directory on the same computer with a different name, then attach it with the new name. The process is: run : sp_detach_db "' + aDatabase + '", ''false'';' (aDatabase is the original database name) Then, in code, delete the original .ldf file, and copy the database.mdf file to new directory with new name. then run (for both the new and the original databases):
This works, up to a point. The problem : When I inspect the properties of the newly attached database, with the new name and new directory, the logical name of the database is still the original name.
but it returns(even though I have deleted the .ldf files for the original dataset) : Could not open new database 'Test62'. CREATE DATABASE is aborted. Cannot create file 'E:Data6Test62Test62_log.LDF' because it already exists. Change the file path or the file name, and retry the operation. File activation failure. The physical file name "E:Data6TestTest_log.LDF" may be incorrect.
(original database name = data6 est est, new database name is data6 est62 est62) Is there a way to do this? Or do I just need to give it up?
hello i am having a problem attaching database. The Problem :
I have created a database using sqlserver express edition.now i have installed enterprise edition ,so i am attaching the database which is created in sqlserver express edition into the enterprise edition.it is showing error
TITLE: Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio ------------------------------ Attach database failed for Server 'SRINIVAS'. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Smo) For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&ProdVer=9.00.1399.00&EvtSrc=Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Smo.ExceptionTemplates.FailedOperationExceptionText&EvtID=Attach+database+Server&LinkId=20476 ------------------------------ ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: An exception occurred while executing a Transact-SQL statement or batch. (Microsoft.SqlServer.ConnectionInfo) ------------------------------ Could not find row in sysindexes for database ID 13, object ID 1, index ID 1. Run DBCC CHECKTABLE on sysindexes. Could not open new database 'FMS'. CREATE DATABASE is aborted. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error: 602) For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&EvtSrc=MSSQLServer&EvtID=602&LinkId=20476 ------------------------------ BUTTONS: OK ------------------------------ Can anyone Help me
I am having trouble attaching a db to ms sql express 2005.I have the db in a folder deep down in my drive, within an asp.net website project. For some wierd reason i can't drill down more than two levels to get to the DB Anyone have any ideas why? Ilan
I am trying to attach a db to SQL Server 2005 and assign a User to the DB that can read and write. I am using one user (CreateDBs) to attach the DB and a second user (TestUser) to do the reading and writing. I run the following code and the DB is attached but I get the following error when I run the code below. ********************ERROR******************** System.Data.SqlClient.SqlException: Cannot open database "hello2" requested by the login. The login failed. Login failed for user 'CreateDBs'. at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnection.OnError(SqlException exception, Boolean breakConnection) at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.ThrowExceptionAndWarning(TdsParserStateObject stateObj) at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.Run(RunBehavior runBehavior, SqlCommand cmdHandler, SqlDataReader dataStream, BulkCopySimpleResultSet bulkCopyHandler, TdsParserStateObject stateObj) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.CompleteLogin(Boolean enlistOK) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.AttemptOneLogin(ServerInfo serverInfo, String newPassword, Boolean ignoreSniOpenTimeout, Int64 timerExpire, SqlConnection owningObject) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.LoginNoFailover(String host, String newPassword, Boolean redirectedUserInstance, SqlConnection owningObject, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, Int64 timerStart) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.OpenLoginEnlist(SqlConnection owningObject, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, String newPassword, Boolean redirectedUserInstance) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds..ctor(DbConnectionPoolIdentity identity, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, Object providerInfo, String newPassword, SqlConnection owningObject, Boolean redirectedUserInstance) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnectionFactory.CreateConnection(DbConnectionOptions options, Object poolGroupProviderInfo, DbConnectionPool pool, DbConnection owningConnection) at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.CreatePooledConnection(DbConnection owningConnection, DbConnectionPool pool, DbConnectionOptions options) at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionPool.CreateObject(DbConnection owningObject) at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionPool.UserCreateRequest(DbConnection owningObject) at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionPool.GetConnection(DbConnection owningObject) at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.GetConnection(DbConnection owningConnection) at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionClosed.OpenConnection(DbConnection outerConnection, DbConnectionFactory connectionFactory) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection.Open() at NewSite.submit_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e) in X:InetpubRMA4NewSite.aspx.vb:line 120
********************CODE******************** 'Need to attach to SQL Server Dim objConn As New SqlConnection("Server=Web-testbedSQLExpress;uid=CreateDBs;pwd=ABC123;database=master") objConn.Open()Dim objCmd As New SqlCommand("EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = N'" & sitename & "', @filename1 = N'X:sites" & sitename & "Database" & sitename & ".mdf', @filename2 = N'X:sites" & sitename & "Database" & sitename & "_log.ldf'", objConn) objCmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text objCmd.ExecuteNonQuery() objConn.Close()objConn = New SqlConnection("Server=Web-testbedSQLExpress;uid=CreateDBs;pwd=ABC123;database=" & sitename) objConn.Open()objCmd = New SqlCommand("EXEC sp_addrolemember db_datareader, TestUser", objConn) objCmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text objCmd.ExecuteNonQuery() objConn.Close()objConn = New SqlConnection("Server=Web-testbedSQLExpress;uid=CreateDBs;pwd=ABC123;database=" & sitename) objConn.Open()objCmd = New SqlCommand("EXEC sp_addrolemember db_datawriter, TestUser", objConn) objCmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text objCmd.ExecuteNonQuery() objConn.Close()
It still doesn't work if I use sa as the user. I know I am missing a step, what is it?
TITLE: Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio Express------------------------------ Attach database failed for Server 'srvsqlsrv'. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Express.Smo) For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&ProdVer=9.00.2047.00&EvtSrc=Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Smo.ExceptionTemplates.FailedOperationExceptionText&EvtID=Attach+database+Server&LinkId=20476 ------------------------------ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: An exception occurred while executing a Transact-SQL statement or batch. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Express.ConnectionInfo) ------------------------------ One or more files do not match the primary file of the database. If you are attempting to attach a database, retry the operation with the correct files. If this is an existing database, the file may be corrupted and should be restored from a backup. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error: 5173) For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&ProdVer=09.00.2047&EvtSrc=MSSQLServer&EvtID=5173&LinkId=20476 ------------------------------BUTTONS: OK------------------------------
If I only have a .mdf file available, how can I attach it to SQL Server 2005? It keeps asking for a .ldf file which I don't have.This one's related to post http://forums.asp.net/1210138/ShowPost.aspx
Hi. I'm just learning SQL Server. I built a db last week, then had to reinstall SQL Server in a new O/S this week(Win 98, if it makes any difference. was WinNT.). How can I get my new SQL Server to recognize the db? Can I do this in Enterprise Manager? Thanks for any help...
I wanted to create a removable SQL Server 7.0 database. So I created the database using the sp_create_removable system stored procedure, imported objects and data, ensured that the database is configured properly for distribution on removable media (using sp_certify_removable system stored procedure), and detached it from original SQL Server. So far, so good. The database consists of 3 files: MYDB_SYS, MYDB_DATA and MYDB_LOG. I copied MYDB_DATA on a CD, and MYDB_SYS and MYDB_LOG on hard disk of a different server. If I execute the following statement:
Server: Msg 5105, Level 16, State 4, Line 1 Device activation error. The physical file name 'E:MYDB_DATA.NDF' may be incorrect. Server: Msg 945, Level 14, State 1, Line 1 Database 'MYDB' cannot be opened because some of the files could not be activated. Server: Msg 1813, Level 16, State 1, Line 1 Could not open new database 'MYDB'. CREATE DATABASE is aborted.
I can successfully execute the above statement if I make MYDB_SYS.MDF file read only, but then MYDB is created as read only, and this option can not be changed.
I try to copy a DB from one server to another. On the target server an older version of the DB has been deleted and I now try to attach the new version using "sp_attach_db DBname, Filelocation", but I always get an error "Device Activation error. The physical file name 'D:mssql7dataAgency_log.ldf' may be incorrect" "Database 'Agency' cannot be Created"
To me it seems that the database is looking for the log files (now deleted). I've tried forcing a new log file I created using the same locations for the mdfs. I've tried using create a new database and replace the mdf file, but nothing works.
we lost a drive that was holding our log files for a database. I have the .mdf file from the database. So I'm trying to attach the database using just the mdf file but it fails because its still looking for the log file.
Bit of a SQL newbie, having taken over a support role for a piece of software that my firm sells. It is basically a DB that runs on MSDE or SQL Server in either desktop or enterprise scenarios.
We do sell our software to clients who may or may not already have SQL on their machines. During installation, it searches for sqlservr.exe for existing SQL installations and if it finds nothing, will then install MSDE 1.0 to house the db files.
My question is this -
I can manually create a db or manually attach an existing db through sql query analyser where there is a full-blown SQL installation. Is there any way I can do the same where there is only MSDE installed? The simple solution, I guess, would be to download one of the freeware or shareware MSDE "Enterprise Managers", but this won't always be suitable for a client installation.
Hi all, I am facing a problem during attaching a database (.mdf and .ldf files are copied fro another server). the message I am getting as follows:
messages was from 'Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio Express':
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Attach database failed for Server 'CTPL-1'. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Express.Smo)
------------------------------ For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&ProdVer=9.00.2047.00&EvtSrc=Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Smo.Exceptio nTemplates.FailedOperationExceptionText&EvtID=Attach+database+Server&LinkId=20476
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at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Smo.Server.AttachDa tabase(String name, StringCollection files, String owner) at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.SqlManagerUI.Attach DatabaseData.PrimaryFile.Attach() at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.SqlManagerUI.Attach Database.SendDataToServer()
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An exception occurred while executing a Transact-SQL statement or batch. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Express.ConnectionInfo)
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at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Common.ServerConnec tion.ExecuteNonQuery(String sqlCommand, ExecutionTypes executionType) at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Common.ServerConnec tion.ExecuteNonQuery(StringCollection sqlCommands, ExecutionTypes executionType) at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Smo.ExecutionManage r.ExecuteNonQuery(StringCollection queries) at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Smo.Server.AttachDa tabaseWorker(String name, StringCollection files, String owner, AttachOptions attachOptions) at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Smo.Server.AttachDa tabase(String name, StringCollection files, String owner)
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Could not find row in sysindexes for database ID 8, object ID 1, index ID 1. Run DBCC CHECKTABLE on sysindexes. Could not open new database 'mci'. CREATE DATABASE is aborted. (.Net SqlClient Data Provider)
------------------------------ For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&EvtSrc=MSSQLServer&EvtID=602&LinkId=20476
------------------------------ Server Name: (local) Error Number: 602 Severity: 21 State: 50 Line Number: 1
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at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection.OnError(SqlExc eption exception, Boolean breakConnection) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnection.OnErro r(SqlException exception, Boolean breakConnection) at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.ThrowExceptionAndW arning(TdsParserStateObject stateObj) at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.Run(RunBehavior runBehavior, SqlCommand cmdHandler, SqlDataReader dataStream, BulkCopySimpleResultSet bulkCopyHandler, TdsParserStateObject stateObj) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlCommand.RunExecuteNonQuer yTds(String methodName, Boolean async) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlCommand.InternalExecuteNo nQuery(DbAsyncResult result, String methodName, Boolean sendToPipe) at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlCommand.ExecuteNonQuery() at Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Common.ServerConnec tion.ExecuteNonQuery(String sqlCommand, ExecutionTypes executionType)
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the followings are the command and mesage from Query Analyzer:
Server: Msg 602, Level 21, State 50, Line 1 Could not find row in sysindexes for database ID 8, object ID 1, index ID 1. Run DBCC CHECKTABLE on sysindexes.
Connection Broken
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I am new to MS SQL Server and unable to solve the problem. Can anyone help me in this metter.
there was a failure due to power shutdown,and the .mdf and .ldf files on the DB is not longer available. there is a backup done 5days ago with the title nice_cls.BAK. How do i restore or reattach the .bak file on the NICE-CLS database.
Hi there, I'm trying to attach a DB using a single MDF file. The file was not properly detached as our server had crashed suddenly neither was the a proper backup done..When I try to attach it says "the file you've specified is not a valid sql server database file" . But another database was restored using a MDF file without any problems ? Please do get back if anyone may get what the problem likely is ? It'd be of great help. Let me know if my problem was clear or if I've to put it in a different fashion.
