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Here is my DB Server's set up:
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2. 1st HD (IDE 0) is the system & boot drive
3. (3) SCSI HD make up a hardware RAID level 0 (striped without
parity)solution - these striped drives are just for my working DBs
4. (1) SCSI HD that's not doing anything.

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anything. Would that be the best place for it for maximum performance or
should I put in the striped array. I am leaning more towards putting on
the SCSI HD that's not doing anything. What do you all think?

Ed

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2 35 4B33C871-B52E-4514-8EBB-E856F151A96D 0 ROWS 1 tempdev_07 S:MSSQLDATATEMP empdev_07.ndf 0 ONLINE 524288 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4033000049131800087 NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL

2 36 40575107-6C34-408A-BF04-DDF7D71935BE 0 ROWS 1 tempdev_08 S:MSSQLDATATEMP empdev_08.ndf 0 ONLINE 524288 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4033000049137600001 NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL

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----------- ------------------------------------ ---- ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------- ----------- ----------- ------------------ ------------ --------- ----------------- ---------------- --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ ----------------------- --------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------

1 NULL 0 ROWS 1 tempdev E:MSSQL$S1MSSQL.2MSSQLDATA empdb.mdf 0 ONLINE 524288 1280000 128000 0 0 0 0 0 NULL NULL NULL NULL 95000000084000037 11815719-7EBA-453D-B93C-1CA083FADA76 2007-10-30 10:00:02.263 NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL

2 NULL 1 LOG 0 templog E:MSSQL$S1MSSQL.2MSSQLDATA emplog.ldf 0 ONLINE 128000 268435456 64000 0 0 0 0 0 NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL NULL

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select...
FromtProject p with (noLock)
jointProjectCall pc with (noLock) on P.ID = pc.project_id
and pc.removed = 0
and p.cancelled = 0
and p.deleted = 0
and year(getDate()) between year(P.startDate) and year(P.expDate)
jointStore S with (noLock) on pc.store_id = s.id
jointZip Z with (noLock) on Z.zip5 = s.zip5
and s.closed = 0
and s.deleted = 0
jointManager M on M.ID = case ... end
leftjoin
(
selectprojectCall_RecNum as RecNum, sum(answer) as HoursUsed
fromtCall C
whereAnswer > 0 and question_id in (1, 2)
group by projectCall_Recnum
) as C on pc.recnum = c.recnum

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