Biztalk Vs SSIS As An ETL Tool
Jan 14, 2008
Hello,
At our company we are considering building an architecture for file
imports and processing and considering both Biztalk and SSIS at this
time.
My understanding from reading the material out there regarding this
subject that Biztalk is more suited for integrating applications and
real time communication of information and SSIS is more suited for
bulk loads into databases/data warehouses and data manipulation.
Currently we are somewhat along the lines described above, but there
is a desire to use one technology over the other for importing files
and data manipulation, and I am not sure that is practical. Also
there is a debate currently as to whether Biztalk does better at
handling logic than SSIS.
I have read through the article on microsoft site that outlines the
above - http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/biztalk/2004/whitepapers...
However, I would like to get some input from people who have actually
used both these tools in the real world for ETL process and could
provide some insight so as to help us make an informed decision.
Thanks
KR
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Dec 29, 2006
Hi
Can anybody please tell me the basic differences between Biztalk and SSIS and when to choose which technology over other?
Regards,
Sandeep Saran
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Oct 11, 2007
Hi,
We are planning to use the BTS BRE for our business rules and calling these from a data flow transformation (e.g. for every row in a flat file during import). One way would be to use a script component.
However, the question is that the script component would have to create and destroy BRE objects (e.g. a BRE Policy object) for every row in the flat file.
Is there a way to instantiate objects and whole on to them for the lifetime of the package or a container within a package?
Any suggestions regarding achieving the above most efficiently would be much appreciated.
Regards,
TD
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Sep 10, 2007
SSIS as a ETL tool
Guys,
I currently doing microsoft's hands-on training tutorial for SSIS. I realized that its not an comprehensive ETL tool as it was advertised to me. I see it more of a package tool for all imports, exports which include DML scripts.
In my scenario I have to convert 10 source data tables to destination schema tables. i normally use DML scripts to convert the data. Once I have mapping between source and destination tables it does not take more than hour to write DMl scripts. But when I try to use SSIS its taking me more time to create data flow tasks and create a package. And does SSIS support all the sql server 2005 string functions.
Any comments/inputs would help.
Thanks
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May 30, 2007
We have a web application using SQL Server 2005 to store and serve the data to forms made using .Net 2. The forms are used by customers to enter fifteen or so items if data. An important part of what the app does is to validate these 15 items of data against data brought in from the main application which is in Access 2003 (for example, did the customer enter a valid part #, did they actually purchase that part number in the qty stated, etc).
I want to periodically (nightly) schedule a copy of the lookup data from Access (2 different databases) into tables in SQL Server. The copy process would simply overwrite the existing lookup data in SQL server with the new data each night. My guess that about 250 mb of data would be copied. The two different databases are identical in structure, but different in data. They are used in two different countries.
The process as I see it would be to:
1. Delete existing lookup data.
2. Copy in data from database 1
3. Copy in data from database 2
I need to use something with enough programming power to resolve issues with primary keys, eg not copy Access table columns which contain them, and perhaps populate a column in the SQL Server lookup tables which indicate which Access database a given record came from.
If we use SSIS, then I will need to learn it, which is great as long as I am going down the right path in the first place.
Would SSIS be the right tool? Is there something more appropriate? Is there a good tutorial?
Many thanks
Mike Thomas
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Sep 28, 2007
I have some questions on SSIS tool I tried to read many docs to understand SSIS.
Now I am looking forward for below questions.
How to use SSIS for :
1. How to Export data from SQL Server 2005 in to Access database using SSIS?
2. How to Import data from Access .mdb file to SQL Server 2005 database using SSIS?
3. How to Import Oracle10g data in to SQL Server 2005 databvase using SSIS?
4. How to Import Oracle10g Data to Access file using SSIS?
5. How to Import SQL Server 2000 data in to SQL Server 2005?
It will be great to have step by step explanation.
Thanks in advance.
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May 12, 2008
Hi all,
I am looking for any information about using SSIS as a workflow automation (job engine) tool. My company is looking into buying a 3rd party app to do our job scheduling and I think that SSIS could do all that we need. The only issue they found with SSIS is the lack of a GUI/dashboard to view all jobs at once. We need more flexibility than the job scheduler in SQL Server Agent will allow. I have heard that it is possible to build a C# GUI app that can serve as a job engine front page.
What we need is a way to view all jobs in the system and be able to start, stop, pause all jobs manually in a graphical interface. I know of a few companies that are doing this but I am unable to find anything on line about it. My bosses are ready to give SSIS a shot if I can prove that we can build such an interface. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of such an application or have any tips on where I should look?
Thanks in advance!
-- Craig ***
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What are the specific types of scenarios where we could use SSB and BizTalk in tandem?
I have come across a gotdotnet sample of an SSB adapter for BizTalk. As i understand a Biztalk orchestration could be an end point for the SSB conversation.
But what advantages can be obtained using this as compared to a typical SQL adapter for BizTalk which does CRUD operations on DB.
any pointers in this directions would be helpful
TIA
Paritosh
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Hi,
I have installed SQLSERVER 2005 in Windows 2003 Server with mixed mode authentication.
Now I am unable to connect it from my windows Xp client system. When I specify the credentials the following error msg displays
"Specified Database cannot be reached Incorrect Server name or login. User may not be associated with trusted sqlserver connection"
My Server Config as follows
servername :vijay
login details:
sa;sa
In Biztalk server 2006, Cofiguration wizard I gave server name as "vijay"
and
username : sa ; pwd : sa;
Kindly help me in getting it right.
Thanks
Vijay
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Can somebody tell me what the minimum install would be so I would be able to run SSIS packages using the dtexec or dtexecui tools? I would also like to install some of the other command line client tools like osql etc.
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Thanks,
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Hi,
I have an orchestration that recieves a pricelist flat file and it must insert into 2 tables - article, articlePrice(for each LotSize) into sql server using a sql adapter. I also want it to check if a record exists for that lotSize and update it if it does. The records are indentified with a uniqueidentifier. So I have 3 if statements:
1 - if (<the article does not exist(checks SupplierArticleNumber)>)
<insert a record into article table>
<insert a record into articlePrice table>
2 - else if(<the article exists but not for that lotSize>)
<insert a new record in articlePrice table>)
3 - else
update the corresponding ArticlePrice row.
My problem is in writing the sp, first it checks if the article exists, if it does then it creates a row in the article table and then one into the articlePrice table. My question is how do I get a hold on the "articleGUID"(pk - uniqueidentifier) that was created on the first table on insertion in order to create the row in the second table(fk)?
And is this possible with one stored procedure? If not does anyone know in Biztalk what other way to do this?
I am new to both Biztalk and sql, so I don't really know what I am doing? I would really appreciate any suggestions!
pp
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Oct 12, 2007
Hi all -
We are planning to use a 2-node SQL Server 2005 cluster as part of a new Biztalk 2006 project, and I would like some advice regarding SQL Server service packs and editions.
Testing has already been running for some time without problems, but the test environment (a) is not clustered, (b) is using SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition rather than Enterprise and (c) has neither of the SQL Server service packs installed.
As this is a major project for us, my instinct would be to use Enterprise Edition (maximise performance and scalability)
and to apply SP2 (because I thought it was best practice to be up-to-date). I would have liked to do this before we go Live so we don't run the risk of having to change afterwards if we hit a problem.
Understandably, the project guys' perspective is this: testing so far has not been affected by SQL Server bugs, and we should go Live with the environment we have tested in, albeit with the planned 2-node cluster which is seen as a 'must have'.
I have trawled Books Online, Technet and other resources without success, so any thoughts or info on required, recommended or preferred combinations of Biztalk 2006 with SQL Server 2005 editions and service packs in a clustered
environment would be greatly appreciated - thanks!
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WITH
(
FIELDTERMINATOR = ',',
ROWTERMINATOR = 'N'
)
--*STOCK LOOKS LIKE THIS
stockcode,barcode,qty
10002,"10002087",0
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2,10002,"10002087",0
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9.0
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1 SQLCHAR 0 4 "" 1 Col1 SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
2 SQLCHAR 0 9 "" 2 Col2 SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
3 SQLCHAR 0 8 "" 3 Col3 ""
4 SQLCHAR 0 7 "" 4 Col4 SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
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Database 'C:WebSitesStudentActivitiesRegistryDataStudentActivities.mdf' cannot be upgraded because its non-release version (587) is not supported by this version of SQL Server. You cannot open a database that is incompatible with this version of sqlservr.exe. You must re-create the database.Could not open new database 'C:WebSitesStudentActivitiesRegistryDataStudentActivities.mdf'. CREATE DATABASE is aborted. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error: 950)
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Database 'C:WebSitesStudentActivitiesRegistryDataStudentActivities.mdf' cannot be upgraded because its non-release version (587) is not supported by this version of SQL Server. You cannot open a database that is incompatible with this version of sqlservr.exe. You must re-create the database.Could not open new database 'C:WebSitesStudentActivitiesRegistryDataStudentActivities.mdf'. CREATE DATABASE is aborted. (Microsoft SQL Server, Error: 950)
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IIS
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Password
Server (local)
Authentication Method:
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SQl Login
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