Brainstorming: Ideas For Categories Database Structure Please
Jul 20, 2005
Hi
Thanks in advance for any ideas.
What I'm trying to do, is have a category system like Yahoo or these
newsgroups where you have a parent "COMP" and multiple children "LANG"
or "DATABASES". However, these can also have children. So for
"DATABASES", you have "MS-SQLSERVER" "ACCESS" "ORACLE8" etc
My question is, what is the best way to store these in a database and
also allow me to retrieve the data
I'm not sure how to procede
Thanks
Sam
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Feb 28, 2008
Hi,
In my database i have some tables and some are Client, ClientUser, Plan and Platform. We have different products that we offer..
The Client table consits of the following
ClientId ClientName Contact Platform, Address
1 abc johnDoe, 1 anywhere street
2 bca doe john NULL street address and so on..
Client User.
UserId ClientId Lastname Firstname Login Password Active
1 1 doe John abc XXXX True
2 1 abc kjd ldkf XXXX True
3 2 dfdkjf jdkfjdl kdll XXXX true
Plan table
PlanId ClientId userId Planname ....
1 1 1 abc plan name
2 1 2 abc planname
So on and so forth
Platform
PlatformId Name
1 ACC
So my question is in the Plan we have different plans from different user and some of them will be of same client but different Platform or products...
So Platform ACC is some kinda extract where the user get some DBF files and imports it.. where as in the other product they are typed in manually. so how do i differentiate between the two products in the Plan table.. I was thinking of considering this approach.
In the User table add a column called PlatformId too so that in my sproc i can differentiate with it.. so does it make sense to add to the Plan table...
any ideas are appreciated..
Regards,
Karen
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name
parentid
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Is this the best way? Or something else.
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I am trying to insert a value into a field in a database named ASPNETDB.MDF. The table name is "profiles_BasicProperties" and the field name is "UserID". I get an error when I attempt to do this. See the code I am using to try to do this below...and then the error that I get which is further down in this post. Note...both the code and the database are on my laptop. I can connect to the database just fine using Server Explorer in MS VS 2005. Thanks in advance for any help anybody can offer...
Here is the code I am using:
<%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile="~/Master02.master" Title="Create Your Free Account" Debug="true"%><%@ Import Namespace="System.Data.SqlClient" %><%@ Import Namespace="System.Web.Configuration" %>
<asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHolderID="ContentPlaceHolder_Main" Runat="Server">
<script runat="server"> Sub CreateUserWizard_CreatedUser(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As EventArgs) Dim CWZ As CreateUserWizard CWZ = CType(Me.LoginView1.FindControl("CreateUserWizard"), Wizard)
CreateUserProfile(CWZ.UserName)
Private Sub CreateUserProfile(ByVal UserName As String) Dim conString As String = WebConfigurationManager.ConnectionStrings("Main").ConnectionString Dim con As New SqlConnection(conString) Dim cmd As New SqlCommand("INSERT profiles_BasicProperties (UserName) VALUES (@UserID)", con) cmd.Parameters.AddWithValue("@UserID", UserName) Using con con.Open() cmd.ExecuteNonQuery() End Using End Sub
</script>
...and here is the error and stack trace (the offending Line 49 is in bold):
Server Error in '/Site_Dev' Application.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
An attempt to attach an auto-named database for file ~App_DataASPNETDB.MDF failed. A database with the same name exists, or specified file cannot be opened, or it is located on UNC share. Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.
Exception Details: System.Data.SqlClient.SqlException: An attempt to attach an auto-named database for file ~App_DataASPNETDB.MDF failed. A database with the same name exists, or specified file cannot be opened, or it is located on UNC share.
Source Error:
Line 47: cmd.Parameters.AddWithValue("@UserID", UserName)Line 48: Using conLine 49: con.Open()Line 50: cmd.ExecuteNonQuery()Line 51: End Using
Source File: C:UsersmdcraggDocumentsWebsiteSite_DevUser_Create.aspx Line: 49
Stack Trace:
[SqlException (0x80131904): An attempt to attach an auto-named database for file ~App_DataASPNETDB.MDF failed. A database with the same name exists, or specified file cannot be opened, or it is located on UNC share.] System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnection.OnError(SqlException exception, Boolean breakConnection) +736211 System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.ThrowExceptionAndWarning(TdsParserStateObject stateObj) +188 System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.Run(RunBehavior runBehavior, SqlCommand cmdHandler, SqlDataReader dataStream, BulkCopySimpleResultSet bulkCopyHandler, TdsParserStateObject stateObj) +1959 System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.CompleteLogin(Boolean enlistOK) +33 System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.AttemptOneLogin(ServerInfo serverInfo, String newPassword, Boolean ignoreSniOpenTimeout, Int64 timerExpire, SqlConnection owningObject) +237 System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.LoginNoFailover(String host, String newPassword, Boolean redirectedUserInstance, SqlConnection owningObject, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, Int64 timerStart) +374 System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.OpenLoginEnlist(SqlConnection owningObject, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, String newPassword, Boolean redirectedUserInstance) +192 System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds..ctor(DbConnectionPoolIdentity identity, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, Object providerInfo, String newPassword, SqlConnection owningObject, Boolean redirectedUserInstance) +170 System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnectionFactory.CreateConnection(DbConnectionOptions options, Object poolGroupProviderInfo, DbConnectionPool pool, DbConnection owningConnection) +359 System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.CreatePooledConnection(DbConnection owningConnection, DbConnectionPool pool, DbConnectionOptions options) +28 System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionPool.CreateObject(DbConnection owningObject) +424 System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionPool.UserCreateRequest(DbConnection owningObject) +66 System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionPool.GetConnection(DbConnection owningObject) +496 System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.GetConnection(DbConnection owningConnection) +82 System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionClosed.OpenConnection(DbConnection outerConnection, DbConnectionFactory connectionFactory) +105 System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection.Open() +111 ASP.user_create_aspx.CreateUserProfile(String UserName) in C:UsersMatthewDocumentsGroup 02 - PoliticoreSite_DevUser_Create.aspx:49 ASP.user_create_aspx.CreateUserWizard_CreatedUser(Object sender, EventArgs e) in C:UsersMatthewDocumentsGroup 02 - PoliticoreSite_DevUser_Create.aspx:30 System.Web.UI.WebControls.CreateUserWizard.OnCreatedUser(EventArgs e) +105 System.Web.UI.WebControls.CreateUserWizard.AttemptCreateUser() +341 System.Web.UI.WebControls.CreateUserWizard.OnNextButtonClick(WizardNavigationEventArgs e) +105 System.Web.UI.WebControls.Wizard.OnBubbleEvent(Object source, EventArgs e) +453 System.Web.UI.WebControls.CreateUserWizard.OnBubbleEvent(Object source, EventArgs e) +149 System.Web.UI.WebControls.WizardChildTable.OnBubbleEvent(Object source, EventArgs args) +17 System.Web.UI.Control.RaiseBubbleEvent(Object source, EventArgs args) +35 System.Web.UI.WebControls.Button.OnCommand(CommandEventArgs e) +115 System.Web.UI.WebControls.Button.RaisePostBackEvent(String eventArgument) +163 System.Web.UI.WebControls.Button.System.Web.UI.IPostBackEventHandler.RaisePostBackEvent(String eventArgument) +7 System.Web.UI.Page.RaisePostBackEvent(IPostBackEventHandler sourceControl, String eventArgument) +11 System.Web.UI.Page.RaisePostBackEvent(NameValueCollection postData) +33 System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain(Boolean includeStagesBeforeAsyncPoint, Boolean includeStagesAfterAsyncPoint) +5102
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.312; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.312
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