Complaints About SSIS

Oct 2, 2006

I'm sure Microsoft has heard most of these complaints many, many times, but I just have to rant about the issues I've encountered with SSIS over the last few weeks. Basically, SSIS, IMO, is a pile of dog ***. Yes, it gets the job done, but only in an extremely inefficient fashion:

Objects are ID'd by a GUID. This means that, (for instance) if you change a connection by deleting an existing connection and replace it by another, all of the objects using the old connection break -- EVEN IF YOU USE EXACTLY THE SAME CONNECTION NAME -- because they only know the connection by the GUID. Deleting the old Connection, even if you rebuild the new one with exactly the same name, pointing at exactly the same server, etc., breaks everything because all objects are ID'd by a GUID, not by a name (what genius at Microsoft thought this was a good idea?) All you get is an error message like "Connection manager {C72CC467-C142-4696-AF31-58B00DAC6ADE} does not exist" -- why isn't BIDS smart enough to resolve references by both the GUID and the Name? Why isn't there a "Find and replace" when updating or replacing objects?

SSIS is unbelieveably slow! Opening up a large project means you may as well step out for a cup of coffee because it takes so long to load. I believe this is because the project is based on the XML in the DTSX file, which means SSIS has to read the file in and interpret all the tags. Even on a fast machine, it's much, much slower to load an SSIS project than a Visual Studio project. Why the SQL Server team chose to use a different paradigm (one big, fat, slow file) than .NET and C# projects (a separate file for each object, and only opening the file when the developer opens the object) is beyond me. Visual Studio has a paradigm that works, yet the SSIS team chose to go their own way.

(SQL Sever Management Studio is also unbelievably slow, but that's an issue for another forum.)

Over and over again I've encountered issues seemingly related to the XML storage paradigm. The most common is editing a Task Script, then having BIDS complain about missing binary content when I return to UI. The suggested solution is to "visit" the code module so BIDS can rebuild the binary content. This is obviously a bug in BIDS, and should never have gotten past beta testing. If BIDS can't detect a change in the code behind a Task Script and regenerate the binary without the user having to "visit" the code, there's a serious problem with the internals.

Why is the user interface so cumbersome? Why can't I just right-click on a Script Task and drop directly into the code behind the object, rather than having to double-click, wait for the UI to appear, move to the "Script" tab, and select the "Design Script" button? Was this UI ever reviewed by beta testers? Does Microsoft really believe the BIDS interface is efficient? Too many properties are only seen when double-clicking on an object, while others appear in the property window. ALL properties should be accessible in the property window so that we don't have to double-click on an object and work through its inefficient editor.

Then, there's a myriad of stupid issues, such as -- when you change the connection for a Data Flow Component, all the exising metadata is invalidated, and you have to manually mark it all for deletion, close the editor, and re-open the editor. This is nonsense -- it's like some 12-year old decided that developers have all the time in the world to perform tasks that BIDS should be doing for us. Why can't just mark and delete mappings without having to close and reopen it

I am really sick and tired of the slow and inefficient user interface, and having to deal with the half-baked paradigms implemented in BIDS's features. It really has a "beta product" feel to it, as if it was rushed to market when it really needed another six months of development. I've got a job to get done here, and I'm spending the majority of my time working around the limitations built into BIDS. I could have written this package using bare VB.Net code in Visual Studio in half the time I've already spent on it, and I'm nowhere near done. IOW, BIDS has been a major drain on productivity.

- Mike

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Some Questions/complaints From The Field

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1) Unforgiveablity - this is an advantage and disadvantage of service broker. The advantage is that it forces developers to be precise with the formation and decomposition of messages as well as forcing disciplined use of transactions. The disadvantages lie in the same. With the slightest error in dialog management, the transaction log grows out of control. With any solution that is incorporating SQL Express (and thanks to the limitations for surfacing the problems), the transaction log, invariably - at some point - grows uncontrollably, especially if you have a web application monitoring queues. There really needs to be better checkpoints and obeyance of normal SQL Server contraints. It seems that sometimes service broker has a mind of its own and takes over not only the SQL instance, but the disk and everything else.
2) Administration/Management capabilities - as far as I am concerned, these are non-existent. I find it hard to believe that I can't even script my service broker objects using the native management studio scripting tool. Its ridiculous that - in an enterprise system - I have to manually script out scores of service broker objects. The operations group agrees with me and this does nothing to enhance the reputation of SQL Server as an enterprise player. You can't produce a SP that provides these capabilities? I have had to build in diagnostics and recovery stats by way of user tables that collect and analyze service broker message activity.
3) Internal Activity - what the hell is going on in these internal tables? I can't find any documentation about the use of tempdb or anything else. Please provide something explaining where all the activity occurs and where space is consumed. This is kind of important when operating on restricted platforms, like SQL Express.
4) Locking - seems like you need a more granular locking strategy. This is just conjecture, but it seems when service broker wants; service broker takes. How about letting the application architect/developer decide when service broker takes?
5) Dialog Pool Management - this is very complex to implement and almost all "real" applications need it. You need to provide an out-of-the-box, starter implementation because this leads to problems mentioned in #1. Remember how the VS application wizard killed the Borland dev environment? Well, SQL Server needs an equivalent. Stop making us write the same thing over and over again; and stop making me write the same queries over and over again.
6) Evangelists - Most people don't even know what service broker is, and it makes it a very hard sell. Even experienced SQL developers are not sure how and why it should be used. I have interviewed over 20 pretty strong SQL candidates over the last year and I can't name one that new ANYTHING about service broker.
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For help, click: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?ProdName=Microsoft%u00ae+Visual+Studio%u00ae+2005&ProdVer=8.0.50727.762&EvtSrc=Microsoft.DataTransformationServices.Design.SR&EvtID=SerializeComponentsFailed&LinkId=20476

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