Corruption Of Backup File On Remote Server
Jul 19, 2006
Dear all,
What I want to do is to backup my database through the SQL script, when the backup is successful, the .bak file is saved in my local harddisk. After that, I used the XYRunProc to execute a "copy" command to copy the .bak file to a remote server.
However, when I want to restore the database using the .bak on the remote server, I found that the .bak is corrupted. This problem does not exist if the file is copied to the remote server manually (click copy on local server and click paste on remote server).
Do anyone know what's the problem of this? This really made me very frustrated. Hope someone can help me, thank you very much!
Regards,
Strike
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Jul 8, 2015
I am working on a project for an SQL job. I am:
1.) Taking a database out of an availability group,
2.) Setting the recovery to simple,
3.) Shrinking the log file,
4.) Setting the recovery mode back to full,
5.) Then backing it up.
I need to restore the file to my secondary server with replace and non recovery mode. I am having trouble performing that call? I have the code to reestablish the database to the availability group if I can get the restore feature working.Â
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Sep 21, 2006
I €˜d like to discus with you the following REAL enough disaster scenario:
1. The TEST database is in the FULL backup mode.
2. WE have a full TEST DB backup and all tr. log backups.
3. DBA moved TEST database OFFLINE for maintenance operations.
4. MDF file for TEST DB was removed by mistake.
5. TRANSACTION LOG (LDF) file is OK.
6. DBA want to recover database to the point of failure.
According with MS SQL Server 2000 documentation it is possible.
We need to backup the transaction log , BUT I CANNOT DO THIS.
PLEASE, HELP.
In the same time, I can make LDF backup and recover database to the point of failure, if database is online and I stop/start SQL Server to remove MDF file.
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Oct 2, 2001
Hi
I have a question concerning backup / restore / recover of a MS-SQL-Server-Database.
Following configuration exists:
MS-SQL-Server running on NT
OS, Server located on a mirrored Raid 0 Disk -> C:
Transactionlog-Files (.ldf) on the same physical mirrored Disk -> E:
Database-Files (.mdf) located on a separate pyhisical Disk (Disk-Set, Raid 5) -> D:
I take a full backup every night of all databases, no Transaction-Log backup is made during a day (never)
Assuming following situation:
During a day one Database became corrupt. The physical-file (.ldf) of corrupted database is still accessible
on Drive E:
1. Step: I make a copy of the .ldf-File and put it on a secure place or in an other directory
2. Step: I restore the DB from the last full backup
3. Step: ???? How is it now possible to recover from the physical available .ldf-File? I know it should be
possible but I don't now how.
Has anybody tips or suggestion or has someone ever had a similar situation? Feedback would be appreciated.
Kind regards
Gabi
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I have been unable to use DMO to back up a DB anywhere but locally on the PC running the DMO code. Even if a network drive is mapped (eg. F:), the backup fails.
I'm trying to automate a backup process for server(s) that will run on a PC and store the backup file on the server that contains the DB. Has anyone done this? Any hints are appreciated.
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Hi,everyone!
I`d encountered a problem about backup DB to remote server.
At first,I add a dump device to remote server in local server,
for example:
sp_addumpdevice `disk`,`netback`,`RemoteSvrsharedfolderetback.dat`
Return success!
But when I begin to backup,return the message"...device error or device off line..."
the detail in error log said:"RemoteSvrsharedfolderetbackup.dat failed to open ,operating system error=5(access is denied)"
Why?
Could you help me?
Thanks you very much!
steven.z/98.8.29
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Hi, I am new on sql and very happy finding your forum!
Ive just installed mssql 2005 on my pc and I need your help on backing up a database that is on a remote server.
I ve connected to the remote server using the Management Studio. Im accessing the database and Im getting the backup, but unfortunately I see that the back up is being saved on the remote server.
How can I backup the database saving it on my machine?
Thanks in advance,
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Hello Friends:
My problem relates to backing up my MS SQL 2005 database which is sitting on a shared server at a hosting company.
OVERVIEW:
- Hosting company is using MS SQL 2005
- I am using the SQL Server Management Studio that comes with SQL Server 2005 Standard (NOT Express), which is installed on MY PC.
- So, I am connecting to the SQL server over the internet
WHAT I WANT TO ACHIEVE:
- I would like to backup the data sitting on the Hosting company's MS SQL Server. I only have one database on this SQL Server. There are of course 100s of other databases on the same server which belong to other customers of the hosting company.
- I want to bring the backup to MY PC, from the SQL Server.
- As far as I can tell the following options within SQL Server Management Studio may be of help to me. I do not know which one I should use or which one is best or what is the proper method. 1) Select Backup option from the Tasks menu (but it only shows me drives/devices on the Hosting SQL Server, not my PC, so I can’t backup to my PC) 2) Export Data (it does not work, showing errors ‘…not a trusted connection…’ I have no clue what a trusted connection is. 3) Copy Database (which is supposed to copy the remote database on the Hosting company SQL server, to my local SQL Server running on my PC). I go through the wizard, on the last screen it just hangs i.e. shows- not responding)
MY QUESTION TO THE COMMUNITY:
How do I backup the database sitting on the hosting company SQL server? I of course need to bring the backup to my PC.
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Hi
I want to take backup of rapport database.
and copy those .bak files from this local server to remote server automatically.
can any one help me plzzzzzzz.........
Thanks in advance
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Hi,
I have a database on a remote server, and want to take a back up of that to my local system. My objective is to take the back up of the db, and then restore it to another SQL Server. Can anyone please help me with this.
Thanks
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Hello-I have a Sql Server 2000 database offsite that I would like to back upto a local machine. I am using Enterprise Manager on a local machine toadminister the remote db.Whats the best way to schedule backups so the remote db is backed up tothe local machine?Can this be done in Enterprise Manager?Would you recommend any 3rd party software?Thanks!MB
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I would like to backup a database on a remote SQL 2005 server using T-SQL. The local server I want to issue the command from is also a SQL 2005 Server.
Do I need to use the openquery function?
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I do not want to use a SSIS package.
Thanks
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Aug 21, 2006
Sorry if this is elementary, but I have searched and cannot find an answer.
I have a backup file of a sql server 2000 database. I want to restore it to a remote hosted sql server 2005.
Using sql server management studio, it seems to me that I cannot access the files stored local on my computer.
Does anybody have a solution?
What is the best way to deploy my backup file to the remote server?
Thanks for any suggestions!
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Hello Friends:
My problem relates to backing up my MS SQL 2005 database which is sitting on a shared server at a hosting company.
OVERVIEW:
- Hosting company is using MS SQL 2005
- I am using the SQL Server Management Studio that comes with SQL Server 2005 Standard (NOT Express), which is installed on MY PC.
- So, I am connecting to the SQL server over the internet
WHAT I WANT TO ACHIEVE:
- I would like to backup the data sitting on the Hosting company's MS SQL Server. I only have one database on this SQL Server. There are of course 100s of other databases on the same server which belong to other customers of the hosting company.
- I want to bring the backup to MY PC, from the SQL Server.
- As far as I can tell the following options within SQL Server Management Studio may be of help to me. I do not know which one I should use or which one is best or what is the proper method. 1) Select Backup option from the Tasks menu (but it only shows me drives/devices on the Hosting SQL Server, not my PC, so I can’t backup to my PC) 2) Export Data (it does not work, showing errors ‘…not a trusted connection…’ I have no clue what a trusted connection is. 3) Copy Database (which is supposed to copy the remote database on the Hosting company SQL server, to my local SQL Server running on my PC). I go through the wizard, on the last screen it just hangs i.e. shows- not responding)
MY QUESTION TO THE COMMUNITY:
How do I backup the database sitting on the hosting company SQL server? I of course need to bring the backup to my PC.
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I need to read a csv file, which is in remote server using SQl Bulk Insert Command.
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I am trying to make my maintenance plan to backup on a remote server but it fails with:
"failed with the following error: "xp_delete_file() returned error 2".
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May 16, 2008
FYI: I've posted this on a couple of forums and haven't gotten any response. I hope someone here can help since this is way past due.
First I'll give a little background on our situation.
Log Shipping and Replication are out, so I am scripting a backup locally, an xcopy to a remote box, and then a restore.
In the early stages of this, I'm trying to do 3 databases. 2 of them work fine alone. It's when I add the 3rd one that I have a problem. I noticed that in the 2nd stored procedure that I probably need to take out the WITH REPLACE if I'm dropping it beforehand as well. I don't have time to test it on this box until later tonight. I don't think that's the issue because it was doing the same thing before I added the drop. I'm overwriting the .txt file so I don't have the exact error that it's giving. I believe it's something similar to "Server: Msg 11, Level 16, State 1, Line 0 General network error. Check your network documentation." I believe it also said [SQLSTATE 42000].
Now for the code. Props to Tara and the code she's put online.
Any help would be appreciated and I'll be glad to help answer questions related to what I've got.
1st Step:
Agent Job scheduled to call stored procedure
EXEC sp_backup_user_dbs3
2nd Step (The code for that stored procedure is):
CREATE PROC sp_backup_user_dbs3
AS
SET nocount ON
DECLARE @Now CHAR(14) -- current date in the form of yyyymmddhhmmss
DECLARE @cmd SYSNAME -- stores the dynamically created DOS command
DECLARE @Result INT -- stores the result of the dir DOS command
DECLARE @RowCnt INT -- stores @@ROWCOUNT
DECLARE @DBName SYSNAME
DECLARE @filename VARCHAR(200) -- stores the path and file name of the BAK file
DECLARE @loglogical VARCHAR(1000)
DECLARE @datalogical VARCHAR(1000)
DECLARE @restoreData VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @restoreLog VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @backupFile VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @physicalNameData VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @physicalNameLog VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @physicalNameDataStripped VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @physicalNameLogStripped VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @ExecStr NVARCHAR(4000)
DECLARE @strSQL VARCHAR(1000)
DECLARE @restoreToDataDir VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @restoreToLogDir VARCHAR(255)
DECLARE @path VARCHAR(100)
SET @path = 'I:ackupMoveTo14'
--we need to delete all the old backup files from the I:ackupMoveTo14 folder
-- Build the del command
SELECT @cmd = 'del ' + @path + '*.BAK' + ' /Q /F'
--PRINT @cmd
EXEC master..xp_cmdshell @cmd,
NO_OUTPUT
CREATE TABLE #whichdatabase
(
dbname SYSNAME NOT NULL
)
INSERT
INTO #whichdatabase
(
dbname
)
SELECT [name]
FROM master.dbo.sysdatabases
WHERE [name] IN ( 'db1', 'db2')
ORDER BY [name]
-- Get the database to be backed up
SELECT TOP 1 @DBName = dbname
FROM #whichdatabase
SET @RowCnt = @@ROWCOUNT
-- Iterate throught the temp table until no more databases need to be backed up
WHILE @RowCnt <> 0 BEGIN SELECT @filename = @Path + '' + @DBName + '.BAK' BEGIN backup log @dbname
WITH truncate_only
END
-- Backup the database
BACKUP database @DBName TO disk = @filename
DELETE
FROM #whichdatabase
WHERE dbname = @DBName
-- Get the database to be backed up
SELECT TOP 1 @DBName = dbname
FROM #whichdatabase
SET @RowCnt = @@ROWCOUNT
-- Let the system rest for 5 seconds before starting on the next backup
WAITFOR delay '00:00:05'
END
DROP TABLE #whichdatabase
SET nocount OFF BEGIN
SET @cmd = ''
SET @cmd = 'xcopy I:ackupMoveTo14*.BAK \RemoteServer /C /Y' EXEC master.dbo.xp_cmdshell @cmd
END BEGIN
EXEC [RemoteServer].master..usp_restoreDbsFromDir2
END
RETURN 0 GO
3rd Step(the code for the usp_restoreDbsFromDir2 on the remote server):
CREATE PROCEDURE usp_restoreDbsFromDir2
AS
SET NOCOUNT ON
DECLARE @dbname varchar(255)
DECLARE @loglogical varchar(1000)
DECLARE @datalogical varchar(1000)
DECLARE @physicalName varchar(255)
DECLARE @physicalFileName varchar(255)
DECLARE @restoreData varchar(255)
DECLARE @restoreLog varchar(255)
DECLARE @backupDisk nvarchar (255)
DECLARE @physicalNameData varchar(255)
DECLARE @physicalNameLog varchar(255)
DECLARE @physicalNameDataStripped varchar(255)
DECLARE @physicalNameLogStripped nvarchar (255)
DECLARE @rowCnt int -- @@ROWCOUNT
DECLARE @ExecStr NVARCHAR(4000)
DECLARE @strSQL varchar(1000)
DECLARE @spidstr varchar(8000)
DECLARE @cmd sysname
DECLARE @bkpFile nvarchar(1000)
DECLARE @sql nvarchar(4000)
DECLARE @restoreDir varchar(255)
DECLARE @PhysicalDataPath varchar(255)
DECLARE @PhysicalLogPath varchar(255)
SET @restoreDir = 'F:MSSQLBACKUP'
-- Get files sorted by date
SET @cmd = 'dir ' + @restoreDir + '*.BAK /OD'
CREATE TABLE #Dir
(DirInfo VARCHAR(7000)
) -- Stores the dir results
CREATE TABLE #BackupFiles
(BackupDate varchar(10),
BackupFileName nvarchar(1000)
) -- Stores only the data we want from the dir
CREATE TABLE #RestoreFileListOnly
(
LogicalName nvarchar(128),
PhysicalName nvarchar(260),
Type char(1),
FileGroupName nvarchar(128),
[Size] numeric(20,0),
[MaxSize] numeric(20,0)
)
INSERT INTO #Dir
EXEC master.dbo.xp_cmdshell @cmd
INSERT INTO #BackupFiles
SELECT SUBSTRING(DirInfo, 1, 10), SUBSTRING(DirInfo, LEN(DirInfo) - PATINDEX('% %', REVERSE(DirInfo)) + 2, LEN(DirInfo))
FROM #Dir
WHERE ISDATE(SUBSTRING(DirInfo, 1, 10)) = 1 AND DirInfo NOT LIKE '%<DIR>%'
-- Get the newest file
SELECT TOP 1 @bkpFile = BackupFileName
FROM #BackupFiles
ORDER BY BackupDate DESC
SET @rowCnt = @@ROWCOUNT
-- Iterate throught the table until no more databases need to be backed up
WHILE @RowCnt <> 0
BEGIN
SET @cmd = @restoreDir + @bkpFile
INSERT INTO #RestoreFileListOnly
EXEC('RESTORE FILELISTONLY FROM DISK = ''' + @cmd + '''')
--get the dbname from the bkpFile name
--SET @strSQL = CHARINDEX('_db_', @bkpFile)
--SET @dbname = LEFT(@bkpFile, @strSQL - 1)
SET @strSQL = CHARINDEX('.bak', @bkpFile)
SET @dbname = LEFT(@bkpFile, @strSQL - 1)
--PRINT @dbname
--IF @@ROWCOUNT <> 2
-- RETURN 3
SET @backupDisk = @restoreDir + @bkpFile
SELECT @datalogical = LogicalName
FROM #RestoreFileListOnly
WHERE Type = 'D'
SELECT @loglogical = LogicalName
FROM #RestoreFileListOnly
WHERE Type = 'L'
SELECT @PhysicalDataPath = PhysicalName
FROM #RestoreFileListOnly
WHERE Type = 'D'
SELECT @PhysicalLogPath = PhysicalName
FROM #RestoreFileListOnly
WHERE Type = 'L'
SELECT @strSQL = 'alter database ' + @dbname + ' set offline with rollback immediate'
--alter database MyDatabase set offline with rollback immediate
--PRINT @strSQL
EXEC (@strSQL)
SELECT @strSQL = 'DROP database ' + @dbname
--alter database MyDatabase set offline with rollback immediate
--PRINT @strSQL
EXEC (@strSQL)
--restore the database
SELECT @strSQL = ''
SELECT @strSQL = @strSQL + 'RESTORE DATABASE ' + @dbname + CHAR(10)
SELECT @strSQL = @strSQL + 'FROM DISK = ''' + @backupDisk + '''' + CHAR(10)
SELECT @strSQL = @strSQL + 'WITH' + CHAR(10)
SELECT @strSQL = @strSQL + CHAR(9) + 'REPLACE'
SELECT @strSQL = @strSQL + ',' + CHAR(10)
SELECT @strSQL = @strSQL + CHAR(9) + 'MOVE '''+ @datalogical + ''''+ ' TO '''+ @PhysicalDataPath + ''''
SELECT @strSQL = @strSQL + ',' + CHAR(10)
SELECT @strSQL = @strSQL + CHAR(9) + 'MOVE ''' + @loglogical + '''' + ' TO '''+ @PhysicalLogPath + ''''
--PRINT @strSQL
EXEC (@strSQL)
SELECT @strSQL = 'alter database ' + @dbname + ' set online with rollback immediate'
--alter database MyDatabase set offline with rollback immediate
--PRINT @strSQL
EXEC (@strSQL)
BEGIN
-- Build the del command
SELECT @cmd = 'del ' + @restoreDir + '' + @bkpFile + ' /Q /F'
--PRINT @cmd
-- Delete the file
EXEC master..xp_cmdshell @cmd, NO_OUTPUT
END
--This is supposed to remove the row once done
DELETE FROM #BackupFiles
WHERE @bkpFile = BackupFileName
-- Get the database to be backed up
SELECT TOP 1 @bkpFile = BackupFileName
FROM #BackupFiles
ORDER BY BackupDate DESC
SET @rowCnt = @@ROWCOUNT
--Wait a couple of seconds before starting the next one
WAITFOR delay '00:00:30'
END
Drop TABLE #Dir
Drop TABLE #BackupFiles
Drop TABLE #RestoreFileListOnly
SET NOCOUNT OFF
RETURN 0
GO
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Hi all:
We currently have a production server (prodserver) and backup server (backupserver) in the same domain, and I am attempting to backup dbs from the production box on to the backup box using the following:
backup database db to disk = '\backupservere$ackupdb.bak' with init
when executing from SSMS, I receive the following error:
Msg 3201, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
Cannot open backup device '\backupservere$ackupdb.bak' Operating system error 1326 (Logon failure: unknown user name or bad password)
Here's where the issue lies for me:
Both the production and backup box are running services under the same domain accounts, let's call it "domainsqlagent"
domainsqlagent has domain admin rights on backupserver and prodserver
I can login to both the production and backup servers using the domain account, map drives, hit administrative shares, drag and drop files, etc between the servers
If I use xp_cmdshell to try and simply move a file between prodserver and backupserver, I receive the above error as well. However, if I open an cmd window and execute the move command from DOS, it will successfully move.
There is a development server on the domain as well (devserver) using domainsqlagent to run the service accounts, and I can successfully backup databases from dev to prod, dev to backup, backup to dev, backup to prod, prod to dev, but NOT prod to backup
Finally, if I create a maintenance plan in SSMS, I cannot create a connection to the backup server (error reads the connection may not be configured correctly or you may not have the right permissions on this connection)
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