Design Help: Retry Message Processing With A Delay?
Jan 25, 2008
I am implementing the first Sql Service Broker use case in our Sql 2005 application, so forgive me if this is an obvious question. We will be using a service & queue to handle requests to download a batch of documents from a third party service. The basic workflow is:
A. Web client requests a document download.
B. Web application begins a conversation and sends a message requesting the download
C. DownloadService stored procedure retrieves the message and attempts the document download.
D. If the download fails, retry every 30 minutes up to max 5 attempts.
Other than (D), this is perfectly straightforward. I will describe the design I've come up with to retry after 30 minutes below. I would appreciate any suggestions on better ways to handle this within SSB.
My solution relies on a small state table:
create table MessageState ( ConversationHandle uniqueidentifier NOT NULL, RetryCount int NOT NULL, MessageBody varbinary(max) NOT NULL )The web client begins a conversation and submits a message. It does not end the conversation, but rather the InitiatorQueue has an activation procedure to end its side of the conversation after the DownloadService ends them, as described here http://blogs.msdn.com/remusrusanu/archive/2006/04/06/570578.aspx.
The DownloadService logic, in pseudo-code:
1. Use a typical loop to get conversation groups and receive messages
2. If message type = DownloadRequest
2a. Call a stored procedure to attempt the download
2b. If successful, end conversation
2c. If not successful, add entry to MessageState and BEGIN CONVERSATION TIMER with a 30 minute timeout
3. If message type = 'http://schemas.Microsoft.com/SQL/ServiceBroker/DialogTimer'
3a. Look up conversation handle in MessageState
3b. Recall original MessageBody
3c. Call a stored procedure to attempt the download
3d. If successful, delete MessageState row end conversation
3e. If not successful and no retries left, delete MessageState row and end conversation with error
3f. If not successful and retries remaining, increment MessaageState.RetryCount and BEGIN CONVERSATION TIMER with a 30 minute timeout
The main downside I see to this solution is a certain lack of transparency. After step (2c) or (3f), "select * from DownloadQueue" will no longer show the pending request, although you can find it in sys.conversation_endpoints.
Is there a better idiom to solve this type of problem in SSB?
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Jul 15, 2005
I am looking for some suggestions on how to implement a delay in processing
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Jan 3, 2008
Hi!
I plan to prepare a lot of DMX statements, but can I control
when the datamining model actually was calculated?
Lets say i make following
1. create mining structure... - I expect that this execution will take "no" time
2. create mining model... - I expect the same
3. insert into <miningmodel>... select ... - I expect that that actually will take some time- right?
I really only want to prepare definition of mining structures/models and telling the model what data (insert into) it should use.
Is it possible to control the actual processing, eg. execution of insert statement (= execution of time consuming select-part)?
I have a batchjob that only need to define things but calculation of mining model is not needed until someone really
want's to see it (and it is ok that this person has to wait on processing).
BOL writes
>>
Processing Options
The following table describes the processing methods that are available in Analysis Services, and identifies the objects for which each method is supported.
Process Default
Detects the process state of an object, and performs processing necessary to deliver unprocessed or partially processed objects to a fully processed state. This processing option is supported for cubes, databases, dimensions, measure groups, mining models, mining structures, and partitions.
...
<<
But how to control this behaviour?
Best regards
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Sep 26, 2006
Hi
here is from BOL
>When a conversation is marked delayed, Service Broker performs the matching process again after a timeout period. Notice that failure to find a matching route is not considered an error.
for example it could happen when there is no route for a service.
the question is - what is this timeout. Is it configurable? on a system wide
basis ?
It will be great if this process is described in more details.
Best regards,
Leonid.
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I am getting the following Error and I can't find it in the Manual.
Failure to send an event notification instance of type 'BROKER_QUEUE_DISABLED' on conversation handle '{5D273374-E84F-DB11-B3BC-0004239AB15C}'. Error Code = '8429'.
I have checked the service name for the notification and it appears to be okay.
Any ideas would be welcomed,
Gary
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Hi,
I currently have an internal message system, and I want to modify the db design so users can create their own custom folders.
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[MessageID] [int] IDENTITY(1,1) NOT NULL,
[MessageFrom] [int] NOT NULL,
[MessageTo] [int] NOT NULL,
[Message] [varchar](1500) NULL,
[prevMessage] [varchar](500) NULL,
[Subject] [varchar](50) NULL,
[date] [smalldatetime] NULL,
[Checked] [tinyint] NULL,
[deletedbySender] [tinyint] NULL,
[deletedbyRecipient] [tinyint] NULL,
[IP] [varchar](15) NULL,
[folderID] [int] NULL
)
I am planning on adding a table like this below
CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblMessage_folders]
(
[folderID] [int] IDENTITY(1,1) NOT NULL,
[userID] [int] NOT NULL,
[folderName] [varchar](50) NULL,
[dateCreated] [smalldatetime] NULL,
)
Any differing opinions, or anyone agreeing with me I would love to hear your opinions. I'm just want to be sure this doesnt create any problems I might not be seeing.
Thanks once again!!
mike123
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Hello,
I have a table which i use to queue messages in. in this table there is a status column along with all the other message colums (ID, body, phone, time, etc). I use tinyint to express the diffrent status values (my frist question is, should i continue using tinyint, or is there some sort of enum, or another suggestion?). the value 1 means its a new message. An external process polls this table and pics up messages that are new.
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I expect to handle thousands of messages per hour. Should I create another table, which has only id and status as columns. And when a message fails I will place it in here instead of placing it in my original table. then the post process only polls this table and joins with my main table. instead of having both processes poll the single table. Would this be more efficient for sql internal seraching? since it has a smaller table to search in? or does it not make a diffrence.
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Hi Remus,
I just started looking into SB about a week ago, so my question is likely to be pretty lame. However, that's not going to stop me from asking it :-)
We're trying to do something similar to what you're describing here. How do you "reset" a dialog timer? Why would you need to deal with resetting timers (or with timers at all for that matter) in the event of a success? Couldn't you rewrite the logic to be as follows?
begin transaction
receive message
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save state of request (http address, caller etc)
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commit
do the web request (no transaction open)
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begin transaction
send back response
end conversation
commit
else
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http://www.castellcomputers.com/?p=44
This bit of SQL script can be used to insert a pause of one hundredth of a second in a trigger, stored procedure or SQL script. This can be useful for when MSSQL’s built-in WAITFOR DELAY function is just too long (it’s minimum increment is a full second!)
declare @later datetime
declare @now datetime
set @later = current_timestamp+'00:00:00.01'
set @now = current_timestamp
while @now < @later
begin
set @now = current_timestamp
end
I'm sure it could be further tweaked to become a function.. And heck, maybe one of the gurus will tell me that there's something i don't know about WAITFOR or whatnot.. Feedback appreciated!
--
Doug Castell
GoldMine Guru
www.castellcomputers.com
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the sub_package itself it's very simple and contains just one script task with a small script in in it.
even if this delay is for validation I still can't understand why it is taking 5-10 ses.
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Hello
I have researched this extensively and have seen a few similar posts on this site, and on the rest of the Internet, but have found nothing which solves my problem. This is absolutely crippling my productivity at work and I would greatly appreciate any advice anyone can suggest.
I have several packages which I need to run at quite regular intervals, and initially they worked absolutely perfectly. They ran quickly and efficiently. As time has passed though, seemingly at random, the pre execute phase of some of these has started to take unreasonable amounts of time. There have been times where I have left it on overnight and found the pre execute phase still at 0% the next morning. This is for queries which shouldn't take more than about 15 minutes to run.
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As an example of a package I am running which displays this behaviour, all that happens is an SQL statement runs, writes the results to a csv file and then emails me to say that it's finished. This is the SQL it uses:
select
REConstituentID as ID,
convert(varchar(10),DeceasedTickedDate,103) as dDate,
coalesce(Title1,'') as Title,
coalesce(FirstName,'') as FirstName,
Surname,
Gender,
AddressLine1,
AddressLine2,
AddressLine3,
AddressLine4,
City,
County,
PostCode,
coalesce(HomePhone,'') as Phone,
coalesce(convert(varchar(10),DeceasedDate,103),'') as DeceasedDate,
coalesce(
convert(varchar(10),(
select min(Date) from dbo.WH_ConstituentAttributes ca where ca.ConstituentID = WH_Constituent.ID and Type = 'Death Notification Date' and (left(Value,8) not in ('Experian', 'Ebiquita') or Value is null)
),103),
convert(varchar(10),(
select top 1 date from dbo.WH_Action where ConstituentID = WH_Constituent.ID and type = 'DM Remark' and ID in (select ActionID from dbo.WH_ActionAttribute where value = 'Deceased notification') order by date asc
),103),
'') as 'Date Notified of Death',
case
when exists (select top 1 null from dbo.WH_ConstituentAttributes ca where ca.ConstituentID = WH_Constituent.ID and Type = 'Death Notification Date' and Value = 'Golden Charter: Funeral Plan Confirmed')
then 1
when exists (select top 1 null from dbo.WH_Action where ConstituentID = WH_Constituent.ID and Category = 'Phone Call' and type = 'DM Remark' and ID in (select ActionID from dbo.WH_ActionAttribute where value = 'Deceased notification'))
then 3
else 5
end as 'Notification Method Code'
from
WH_Constituent
where
Deceased = 'Yes'
and AddressLine1 is not null
and PostCode is not null
and Country = 'United Kingdom'
and DeceasedTickedDate >= {d '2006-09-20'}
and not (
exists (
select top 1 null
from dbo.WH_ConstituentAttributes ca
where
ca.ConstituentID = WH_Constituent.ID
and Type = 'Death Notification Date'
and left(Value,8) in ('Experian', 'Ebiquita')
)
and not exists (
select top 1 null
from dbo.WH_ConstituentAttributes ca
where
ca.ConstituentID = WH_Constituent.ID
and Type = 'Death Notification Date'
and coalesce(left(Value,8),'') not in ('Experian', 'Ebiquita')
)
and not exists (
select top 1 null
from dbo.WH_Action
where
ConstituentID = WH_Constituent.ID
and type = 'DM Remark'
and ID in (
select ActionID
from dbo.WH_ActionAttribute
where value = 'Deceased notification'
)
)
)
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Thanks
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Hi,
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any idea what migth be the problem.
I have to metion even when I run this with in the visual studio still I have a big delay.
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