Double SELECT To (LEFT) JOIN

Jul 26, 2013

I am currently working with 2 tables:

tbl_users: UserID,Username,ClientFK
tbl_clients: ClientID, ClientName

Now I want to get all Users with same Client but my parameter of my stored procedure is @Username.

This code works fine:

SELECT
UserID,
ClientFK,
WebLogin,
WebPassword,
WindowsUsername,
BasePriority,
IsAdmin,
DateCreated,
Enabled
FROM tbl_User
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But i don't want to have 2 selects and prefer a left join.

Is it possible to write a better select statement?

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4-400-8000124
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rcd 2. S02

2. Master table TBCODE contain 5 records:

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rcd 3. C3
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Code:

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