Downgrade SQL To MSDE / SQL EXPRESS
Mar 7, 2008
Not sure where to poswt this but I have a question. Is it possible to downgrade a remote SQL instance (the RTC database for LCS 2005 EE) to MSDE / SQL EXPRESS running on the LCS node?
I have two LCS2005EE pools side by side in the same account domain. The company recently went through a split where a part of our operation was spun off to another company. We're trying to figure out a way to leave them a working LCS but cut our hosted server count. What I came up with was basically 3 or 4 possible scenarios:
Leave only two servers (LCS and SQL.)
Try to move and run two instances on new production equipment
Try to downgrade the remote RTC instance into MSDE / SQL EXPRESS and leave one server.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Joe H. Wise
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Mar 7, 2008
Not sure where to poswt this but I have a question. Is it possible to downgrade a remote SQL instance (the RTC database for LCS 2005 EE) to MSDE / SQL EXPRESS running on the LCS node?
I have two LCS2005EE pools side by side in the same account domain. The company recently went through a split where a part of our operation was spun off to another company. We're trying to figure out a way to leave them a working LCS but cut our hosted server count. What I came up with was basically 3 or 4 possible scenarios:
Leave only two servers (LCS and SQL.)
Try to move and run two instances on new production equipment
Try to downgrade the remote RTC instance into MSDE / SQL EXPRESS and leave one server.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Joe H. Wise
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Sep 14, 2006
Are there any concerns for upgrading from MSDE to Express? Anything that has to be done to the database itself?
I will be uninstalling MSDE completely so I can reuse the instance name to minimize issues with other programs already setup for it. This means that I will be installing Express, basically, clean on the machine. What I am worried about is anything that needs to happen to the db itself, changing compatability levels and such.
Thank you in advance for any help.
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Mar 21, 2006
Hi ....I am a developer and building an enterprise level application for general purpose. I need to include a database in that. I am working in Visual Studio .NET 2003 having Framwork 1.1 installed. Now what should I do? is it necessary to have visual studio .NET 2005 and Framwork 2.0 to work with SQL Server Express? can any one help?
Amir
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Oct 30, 2006
I know this may have been asked in the past, and I've tried to search the forum, but didn't find any clear responses.
The question is about MSDE and SQL Express being "Free".
Can MSDE or SQL Server express be used for the backend DB for an application for a private (for profit) company? A COTS that we are planning to puchase can work with either commercial version of SQL server or MSDE / Express. Any input would be appreciated.
Thank you,
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Mar 9, 2007
We have a product on the market, with 100k or so installs that use MSDE as its database (desktop application in .net). Our number 1 complaint is massive installation problems with MSDE.
Now, we are stuck a bit - first, we need to release a Vista Compatible version - which means no MSDE. We also need to migrate users from MSDE to SQL Express, with no data loss (we deal with financial information, and people tend to have zero tolerance for data loss here).
So, I have large scale reservations for two reasons - first, Microsoft's track record in supporting and making MSDE in the past has not been stellar.
With that said - are the multiple installation failure issues fixed in SQL Express? Did MS make the effort to get SQL Express to install on Win2k/XP/Vista improved? Are their benchmark figures out there regarding SQL Express install failure rates?
Additionally, can I get some information regarding MSDE to SQL Express upgrades done during for existing customers?
jason
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Many thanks,
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Oct 1, 2007
Hi everyone!
We are trying to restore a database backup created o MSDE 2000 server to SQL Express 2005.
The collation settings of both SQL Express and MSDE are the same: Turkish_CI_AS
The problem is that the log of restore operation has some warnings like:
Processed 344 pages for database 'MYDB', file 'MYDB_Data' on file 1.
Processed 1 pages for database 'MYDB', file 'MYDB_Log' on file 1.
Converting database 'MYDB' from version 539 to the current version 611.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 539 to version 551.
Warning: The index "myt_idx01" on "dbo"."myt" may be impacted by the
collation upgrade. Run DBCC CHECKTABLE.
Warning: The index "PK_BankLDef" on
"dbo"."BankLDef" may be impacted by the collation
upgrade. Run DBCC CHECKTABLE.
Warning: The index "AgreeHist_idx1" on
"dbo"."AgreeHist" may be impacted by the collation upgrade.
Run DBCC CHECKTABLE.
....
....
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 551 to version 552.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 552 to version 553.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 553 to version 554.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 554 to version 589.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 589 to version 590.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 590 to version 593.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 593 to version 597.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 597 to version 604.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 604 to version 605.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 605 to version 606.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 606 to version 607.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 607 to version 608.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 608 to version 609.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 609 to version 610.
Database 'MYDB' running the upgrade step from version 610 to version 611.
RESTORE DATABASE successfully processed 345 pages in 0.420 seconds
(6.712 MB/sec).
What is the severity of this warnings? Is there a way to make them disappear?
Thanks in Advance.
Adnan
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Oct 13, 2006
Hello people,
I'm experiencing problem here that we need to downgrade our sql 2005 back to version 7.0.
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All my dbs are created within 2005 and i'd like to move these to the older 7.0 server.
I wonder whether there are any procedure to convert 2005 mdf files so
that is is compatible with sql server 7.0? or what is the most common
way of solving this?
Any pointer would be appreciated. thx!
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Hello,
my question is simple, i guess, if anyone can help me solve this problem:
I just installed Windows 2003 SBS Premium R2 but i have a software using SQL Server 2000 and not the one included in this version, 2005 wich is not compatible with. How can i downgrade, where cand i get the older server if the downgrade is possible and what else can i do before i shoot myself? Is there any license issue that will not allow me the downgrade?
Thank You!!!
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Hi,
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Thanks.
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Nov 9, 2005
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Feb 2, 2007
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We are attempting to backup using a maintenance plan a database to a network share.
The backup job works within a domain but fails within a workgroup?
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Jan 15, 2008
I have an application that is already installed on a Win2k3 Server using SQL Express 2005. I have another application that wants to use MSDE 2000 (already tried using SQL Express 2005, but it won't install). My question is, can both of these be installed on the same server and running at the same time without any problems? Thanks!
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Nov 30, 2006
I have a 3 workstation peer to peer network with everything running Windows XP Pro. I need to replace the machine that hosts my SQL MSDE server. I have built a new system and all software is installed except the MSDE. I use a proprietary product called Time Matters for my law practice that uses the SQL server. Since I might want to run Vista eventually (not right now) I thought that I would try to migrate the MSDE to SQL Express. I assume that Time Matters will run on SQL Express. Can someone please give me some help on how to proceed. I'm thinking that I will install the SQL Express server on the new machine and then somehow migrate the database over to the new machine and shut down the old unit. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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May 11, 2007
Is the installation of MSDE and SQL Express 2005 on the same computer a supported configuration?
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Aug 3, 2005
Hi all,I was running an MSDN version of SQL 2000 Developer Edition on a serveruntil I accidentally upgraded it to Enterprise Edition while attemptingto install some Management Tools. Is it possible to downgrade it backto Dev Edition?Thanks,Josh
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May 11, 2006
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Mar 21, 2006
We are upgrading an application that is not yet supported on SQL Server 2005. The upgrade involves new hardware (including a new sql server). Any gotchas or advice regarding this plan:
1. Install Windows 2003 64 bit, configure hardware appropriately for running SQL Server.
2. Install SQL Server 2000 64 bit using the 2005 license key (is that how you 'downgrade'? I didn't see a 'how-to' article regarding this).
3. Restore backups of system databases from current SQL Server to new SQL Server (note: current SQL Server is running 32 bit - I realize that I need to make sure that I have the same service pack on the new server as that on the current server).
4. Apply sp4.
5. Restore user databases.
Not sure if the 32 vs. 64 bit thing is of any concern or if 'downgrading' is as simple as this.
Thanks!
Michelle
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Oct 18, 2005
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Sep 18, 2006
Hi;
In http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=71679 topic, it is stated that SQL-DMO can be used to make msde publisher for transactional replication.
But in http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=71983 topic, Rishi said that "No Express Edition cant act as Publisher".
I am not clear about the difference btw msde and express.
Why msde can be publisher for transactional replication by SQL-DMO and why express edition can not be?
Thank you so much...
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Dec 19, 2007
All,
I wanted to to detach a DB say MyDB from MSDE and wanted to attach it to SQL Express.
It could able to Detach the DB from MSDE,but attachment to SQL 2005 is failing. When I verified MSDE Instance through Managment studio "MyDB" wasnot there ; means it got detached.I couldnt find the DB in SQL 2005. When I tried manually through command prompt I was able to attach "MyDB" to SQL2005.
Please help me out!!
Here is the code which I have written.
if SUCCEEDED(hr = CoCreateInstance (CLSID_SQLDMOServer, NULL, CLSCTX_INPROC_SERVER,
IID_ISQLDMOServer, (LPVOID*)&pSQLServer))
{
pSQLServer->SetLoginSecure (TRUE);
SQLDMO_LPCSTR DB = OLESTR("MyDB");
//Connect to MSDE First
if SUCCEEDED(hr = pSQLServer->Connect (szDbServer, szUserName, szPassword))
{
pSQLServer->DetachDB(DB,lpszResult); //Detach the DB
pSQLServer->DisConnect(); //Disconnect MSDE
LPBSTR lpszResult2 = NULL;
long lNumDB;
//Connect to SQL 2005
if SUCCEEDED(hr = pSQLServer->Connect (szSQLExpDbServer, szUserName, szPassword))
{
//LPCOLESTR lpo = A2COLE(sTemp);
//sTemp.operator LPCTSTR
pSQLServer->GetDatabaseCount (&lNumDB);
SQLDMO_LPCSTR files = OLESTR("C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\MSSQLData\MyDB.mdf,C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\MSSQL\Data\MyDB_log.ldf");
pSQLServer->AttachDB(DB,files,lpszResult2); // Attach the DB to SQL 2005
pSQLServer->DisConnect(); // Disconnect SQL 2005}
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Dec 27, 2006
Hi guys,
I'm just wondering if the MSDE & SQL Server 2005 Express can run on the same machine(winxp) without conflicts. Because I need both the reporting services & the publication functionality of replication.
Thanks in advance.
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Apr 3, 2007
Hi,
I have 2 MSDE 2000 Instances installed on Windows 2003 Server STd w/ SP1.
The application relating to the default instance is being upgraded and will require SQL 2005 Express.
What is the best approach? So the named instance of MSDE 2000 still functions correctly.
Upgrade default instance of MSDE to SQL 2005, or install SQL 2005 Express to own path and restore the DB accross? Then remove the Default Instance of MSDE 2000.
Both MSDE 2000 Instances are listed in Add/Remove Programs.
Thanks
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Aug 24, 2006
I have been testing one of our Apps under SQL 2005 Express and I am seeing a big downgrade in performance compared to MSDE on the same hardware. Has anyone else experienced this?
Cheers
Aussie Coder
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Jan 17, 2007
Currently I am running MSDE on a webserver. The MSDE was installed by a software package for web survey's. I am wondering if SQL express will interfere with this installation? Would I be better to install MySQL instead?
The problem I am trying to solve is simply giving a web developer some database space so that he can connect his web app to store some data. I'm kind of a n00b at this so I thought SQL express would be the best route. If I'm headed in the wrong direction can someone point me the right way?
Cheers!
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Jul 26, 2006
I read in the installation requirements document for SQL Server 2005 Express the section on upgrading MSDE to SQL Server 2005 Express. The section indicated that if MSDE is installed via an application installation, that application will have to be uninstalled to remove MSDE. This leads to my question.
The small application I'm looking into developing will require SQL Server 2005 Express. What if a customer is using an application that installed MSDE? Can the two products coexist without problems?
Thanks!!
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Jul 26, 2007
Hi I would like to ask If its possible to have installed MSDE 2000 and SQL 2005 Express on the same machine. My computer uses MSDE 2000 for one application and I would like to install SQL 2005 Express for my own application. I would like to ask it will be a problem before I install it.
thanks a lot
Martin Molnar
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Nov 8, 2006
I have just done an in-place upgrade from MSDE to SQL Express with Advance Services for my customer. After upgrading, the program was not enable to connect to SQL Express and threw an error (the program connect to the server through OLEDB provider)
Code -2147217843 (80040e4d) - IDispatch error #3149 - Source : Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server
It only works if I replace the string "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1" with "Provider=SQLNCLI.1". I wonder why I have to do that because in my working PC and other customers, I don't get this.
The customer's PC use Windows 2003 Server for Small Business Server SP1
Thanks in advance
Huy Le
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