Express Vs Workgroup - Should I Upgrade?
Apr 26, 2007
Hello,
I am currently hosting my ecommerce site on a dedicated server with dual AMD processors and 2 gigs of ram. I have on average 20 people on the site at one time.
on this server i have sql express, from which i understand, only utilizes one of the processors and 1gig of ram. I have the choice to pay an extra 150 a month to have my host put sql workgroup on my system.
My question is, will i notice any kind of real performace boost by upgrading. Or at the level that i am at, there wont be much difference?
Any help would be very useful.
Thanks
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Aug 8, 2006
Can we upgrade from Express 2005 to Standard/Workgroup 2005??If possible with what complexities can it be done??
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May 7, 2008
Hi All,
A client of mine was using SQL Express and soon realised this doesn't meet his needs performance or database size wise. He also realised that SQL Server 2005 Workgroup came free with his R2 version of SBS.
So in essence, I have been trying to find the Microsoft recommended way to upgrade from Express to Workgroup. I have not been able to find a step-by-step guide and to add to my confusion, when I run the work-group installer it tells me to run the installer with a switch which I have gone ahead and done but when selecting components it has all of them defaulted to blanked out.
Surely the process for an in-place upgrade should not be so technical as I am finding it ? To my mind, the natural progression would be to upgrade express to a better capable version of 2005 and should be as easy as pie.
Anyway, I am basically looking for a step-by-step guide on how to upgrade to get it done right the first time as opposed to upgrading and than realised some remenants of Express are still larking about causing trouble.
Regards,
QS
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Jul 6, 2007
Has anyone had problems like this.
I recently got SQL Server 2005 Workgroup edition. I did the normal
'read everything I could' to make sure I was getting the correct version for my business.
After having to wait 4 weeks to upgrade, as we were waiting for our accounting system to be upgraded to come inline with SQL 2005, I came across the problem where DTS is not really compatible to the degree I needed with this edition.
I have since gone back to the reseller and they say we can't exchange it for Standard edition as 4 weeks has passed.
The only thing we can do is pay out (1 month later) another £6,000 to get the version we need, totaling £11,000
Being that we are a small business, paying out another £6,000 isn't an option.
Does anyone have any good advise on this?
Many thanks
Scott
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Jul 6, 2007
We have got the wrong version of SQL Server 2005 due to not having SSIS. We have loads of DTS packages running and I have tried to import them and its shows no SSIS service installed.
Is the route to upgrade straight forward? We have a couple of databases running on 2005 upgraded from 2000 but most still are active on 2000.
Cheers
Scott
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Dec 21, 2007
I have installed SBS 2003 Premium with Exchange 2003 SP1 and now I want to install SQL server 2005 workgroup edition.
Heres what I noticed during setup, following the steps of the Server 2005 Workgroup Edition instructions, starting with Upgrading the Sharepoint instance of WMSDE.
Preparing the http://companyweb website:
Step 4. I should make a backup of the data directory within program filesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQL$SHAREPOINT directory. However there is no data-directory there, so nothing to backup there. This is probably the reason for all the rest of the issues, however what does it mean, why is there no such directory present? I checked before doing the sql install that by going to http://companyweb I did indeed land on the sharepoint internal website.
Rest goes all normal, until :
Attaching the databasefiles to the new SHAREPOINT instance of SQL server 2005.
Step 4.: go to MSSQL$SHAREPOINTdata. Not only is there no such subdirectory now, the whole MSSQL$SHAREPOINT directory has in fact now disappeared. So steps 4 till 6 cannot be performed now.
Then further to
Enable full text search in Windows Sharepoint services
Step 2. Remark: I get the error message as described there, however the solution would be to start the SQL server (Shareoint service. However that service is up and running
Furthermore when I go to http://companyweb now, I also get the errormessage indicating no connection can be established with the configuration database.
When I check for services, I find that the whole MSSQL$SHAREPOINT service has disappeared from the list of services.
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Jan 25, 2007
Hi, all. I see two conflicting notes about whether one can install the SQL Server 2005 Trial/Evaluation and then upgrade to Workgroup or Standard editions, without uninstalling the Evaluation edition.
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143393.aspx seems to say YES, you can upgrade to Workgroup/Standard from the Evaluation edition.
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/howtobuy/faq.mspx says NO, you can only upgrade to Enterprise edition from the Evaluation edition. For Workgroup and Standard, you must uninstall the Trial first.
Which is the correct answer?
Thanks,
Stephen
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Aug 1, 2006
I have clients that have the MSDE version installed and we need to upgrade there program to the MSSQL 2005. Is there an easy way to convert the data? Should or Could I uninstall MSDE and than install MSSQL2005 WorkGrp? Will there data be affected? Any tips would be appreciated.Thanks!
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Apr 5, 2007
Hi guys,
I am a Systems Engineer and was sent on a job to a site that has a newly created SBS 2003 R2 Premium box which was OEM pre-installed from Dell. The SBS install was evidently finished off by the I.T. guys at the site. Now along comes some software house to install their propritery application. During this install process, the software guy was unable to find an instance of SQL running and installs SQL 2005 Express and the Express Studio management console. He installs his application and before he leaves says to the I.T. guys "Oh and by the way, there is a 4GB limit per database on SQL Express. You will have to change that to workgroup edition before the data grows too big. Have a nice day byeee!!!".
The I.T. guys go "Huh? Lets call James." So now I have to get this database off the SQL Express instance and onto a workgroup instance. I understand about detaching a database and re-attaching it. No prob there. What is confusing me is when I look at the default instance which should be a Workgroup instance, all I see is an Express instance.
What I am planning to do is rip out all the SQL 2005 stuff, leaving behind only Sharepoint, SBSmonitoring and WSUS stuff. The, using the SBS Premium cd's, install SQL 2005 again and updating the service packs for it again. Then mount the databases under it and get the software guys back in to reconfigure their application if need be.
Thing is, I have no idea how to sort it all out other than "Add remove programs" in control panel and remove the SQL 2005 stuff. What scares me however, is the thought of also removing the Sharepoint, WSUS and SBSMonitoring databases too.
Can someone help me with a procedure for sorting it out? How can I tell what I should uninstall and what I shouldn't? How do I tell if workgroup is already there and why did express steal the default instance?
Cheers
James
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Aug 8, 2007
Hi Guys,
I'm trying to connect to a sql express on a workgroup PC through sql server 2005 standard edition remotely but i can't.
I have checked and make sure that tcp/ip and other protocals are allowed. There is no firewall on both PCs and the sql browser service is running as well.
Somehow i can connect using the IP address but not the name?
Any idea why?
TA
Gemma
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Sep 27, 2005
Hello -- Please excuse my extreme newbieness -- trying to get up to speed fast on SQL Server Express for work. I've been able to set up the software, create a database, and access it with no problems on my local computer, but I need to make the database available to other computers in my workgroup. I followed instructions -- enabled TCP/IP and Named Pipes and turned on SQL Server Browser, and I was actually able to manipulate one system database (the "master" database) from another computer but not any other databases, not even the other system databases. I can connect to any of the databases with the SQLCMD commands, but if I try to do any SELECT commands (other than in "master") I get an error: "SELECT permission denied on object '[MyTable]', database '[MyDatabase]', schema 'dbo'". I was only able to get into "master" after adding "guest" as a user, but adding this user to the other databases has no effect. One interesting thing: When I used the sp_table_privileges command on each database, all but "master" showed all privileges being granted to and from "dbo", but "master" didn't show anything being granted to or from anybody. Does anyone know what could be going on here? Am I missing something obvious? Thanks for any and all help!
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Feb 19, 2007
Hi all,
In the past if we wanted to provide an application with simple (multi-user) database facilities, we would use an Access mdb database which we could basically xcopy deploy to the client. Share the folder across the network and apart from the limitations of mdb databases it would work !!!
With all the advancements in databases ! we have moved on to SQL Express - touted as the thing to use and the replacement for MSDE and MDB databases. But hang on a minute !! It doesn't work like that ! You can't deploy Express like we used to with MDB databases - the default Express database doesn't allow multi-access ?? and if you can't xcopy deploy the Express database. The 'user Instance' thing is useless - basically every user gets their own copy of the database !!! How many developers asked Microsoft for that one!! It's crazy!!
We just need to copy our exe files and the mdf file share across a workgroup and bingo network version of our software - it's not brain surgery - Is it! We don't need mountains of security - we need (FIRST OF ALL) easy deployment.
Please tell me I've got it wrong and you can deploy a SQL Express based application without jumping thru hoops ????
Regards
Steve
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Feb 8, 2008
I'd like to upgrade from my current SQL Server version: 09.00.3042 (Workgroup edition that comes with SBS upgrade) to the standard edition that I've just purchased. I've attempted to run setup.exe SKUUPGRADE=1 from the command prompt and it just tells me that there's nothing new to install.
I don't really want to uninstall the current installation just to do something that shouldn't be complicated to do, upgrading software versions should not be a difficult process.
Does anybody have any experience with this?
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Nov 29, 2006
When attemping to install SQL 2005 Express using the following command line arguments
/qb UPGRADE=SQL_Engine INSTANCENAME=MY_INSTANCE
or
/qb UPGRADE=SQL_Engine INSTANCENAME=MY_INSTANCE SECURITYMODE=SQL SAPWD=MY_PASSWORD
the following error occurs.
Your upgrade is blocked. For more information about upgrade support, see the "Version and Edition Upgrades" and "Hardware and Software Requirements" topics in SQL Server 2005 Setup Help or SQL Server 2005 Books Online.
Edition check:
Your upgrade is blocked because of edition upgrade rules. For more information about edition upgrades, see the Version and Edition Upgrades topic in SQL Server 2005 Setup Help or SQL Server 2005 Books Online.
The following version and editions have been verified.
1. .NET 2.0 installed
2. Windows XP SP2
3. MSDE 8.00.2039(SP4)
4. all MSDE databases are owned by sa
5. Instance and SQLAgent running under user that is member of Administrators
What are the possible reasons this error is occurring?
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Jun 6, 2006
hello,
i have no idea what i am doing here and could use some help from someone who knows what they are doing.
i have a proliant ml350 g3 server running windows 2003 server with sql express 2005 software.
all the databases are running in compatibility sql 7 mode.
I would like them to be in sql 2005 mode if possible. Is there a way to upgrade the databases in the process?
here's a plan I came up with:
take sql workgroup 2005 edition evaluation, install it on a machine.
Mount all databases on the machine.
Wipe out the sql express 2005 machine, reinstall workgroup edition on the new server.
but here is my question
is there a way to migrate the data from the workgroup edition over to the new server through a DTS copy process, and if so, will it create a new version of the databases with the proper collation or the proper english?
please let me know. if this works, i will be thrilled!
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Feb 1, 2007
Hello,
when I try to upgrade SQL Server 2005 using this command line:
setup.exe /qb SKUUPGRADE=1 UPGRADE=SQL_Engine INSTANCENAME=Z1 SQLACCOUNT=NT-AUTORITÄTSYSTEM SECURITYMODE=SQL SAPWD=XXXXXX
I get error 28092 (administrator rights needed).
It seems like the upgrade tries to use Windows authentification although I've told it to use SQL Server authentification. Or did I miss a parameter in my command line?
If I do the upgrade manually it works without needing Windows authentification.
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Aug 8, 2006
How do SQL 2000 service packs play a role in upgrading? That is, can SQL 2000 Standard with no Service Packs(SP) be upgraded to SQL 2005 Standard, or does SQL 2000 Standard have to have a certain service pack(SP).
What about re-applying SQL 2005 service packs when upgrading Express SP1 to Workgroup, etc.?
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Jun 15, 2005
In MSDE sql server 2000 dtsrun was available to execute the dts packages but now with sql server 2005 express edition integration service is not part of express/workgroup edition and the dtsexec run time is also not available.
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Mar 1, 2007
Hi. I'm trying to get full-text search working on my SQL 2005 Express with Advanced Services and am having problems. I thought that I installed it correctly, and when I look in the services running, I see it SQL Server Fulltext Search(MSSQLSERVER). Also note that I have SQL Server 2005 Standard installed on this same laptop. I don't know if that Full text Search applies to the Standard, Express or both.
What I do see is that if I connect to the database engine named <mylaptop>, I can see the version is 9.0.1399 and I can see the check box to enable full-text indexing in a particular databases properties. When I run SELECT FULLTEXTSERVICEPROPERTY('IsFullTextInstalled'), I get a 1.
However, when I connect to the engine name <mylaptop>SQLExpress, I se the version is 9.0.3042, and I don't see the same check-box to enable full-text indexing. When I run SELECT FULLTEXTSERVICEPROPERTY('IsFullTextInstalled'), I get a 0.
I've never tried this before so I know I'm probably missing something basic. But, I have searched quite a bit and not found my answer. So, I'm looking to you for help.
Thanks in advance.
John.
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Mar 6, 2006
Does anyone have a experience or links to resources for implimenting SQL Server 2005 Express in a Windows peer-to-peer workgroup?
Thanks.
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Jul 21, 2007
I have an application made in VB6 that is running with MSDE (SQL 7) and my question is if I upgrade the database server to SQL express it will not have any compatibility issues...
ALL computers are XP except for a very new one that I have not installed yet which comes with windows Vista.
Any comments will be really appreciated.
Jose Reyes
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May 18, 2006
I have Sql Server Express installed and now wants to upgrade to Sql Server Express SP1. Do I first have to uninstall my current version of Sql Server Express or can I just run the install?
Thanks!
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Apr 25, 2006
Hello,
When upgrading an MSDE Service Pack 4 named instance to SQL Express we were able to use the command:
setup.exe /qb- UPGRADE=SQL_Engine INSTANCENAME=<instance> SECURITYMODE=SQL
and the upgrade would complete successfully accepting the SECURITYMODE as SQL Server Authentication (mixed mode). If we excluded the /qb- silent parameter the upgrade dialog would allow us to select Windows Authentication or SQL Server Authentication.
It appears that the SQL Express Service Pack 1 upgrade is behaving differently. When attempting to run the same command to upgrade MSDE SP4 to SQL Express Service Pack 1 the upgrade fails when running in silent mode stating that Windows Authentication must be chosen. If we remove the SECURITYMODE=SQL from the command we do not receive an error since the upgrade would now default to Windows Authentication. Running the same command without the /qb silent parameter the upgrade will not allow us to choose SQL Server Authentication (mixed mode) - only Windows Authentication in the upgrade dialog. When we continue with the Windows Authentication selected the upgrade completes and the named instance appears to still be in mixed mode (LoginMode=2) and we can connect to the instance using both a trusted and non-trusted connection.
Has anyone encountered the difference in behavior between the SQL Express upgrade and the SQL Express Service Pack 1 upgrade where you are required to choose Windows Authentication mode to complete the upgrade? Are there other command-line parameters that should be used to upgrade to SQL Express SP1 to be able to specify SQL Server Authentication without any errors being returned?
Thanks
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Feb 26, 2007
I have SQL Express SP1 installed for some instances. I would like to upgrade all the instances to SP2 at once in silent mode, without specifying the product selection and other options. Is this possible? If so, how? Thanks in advance.
Peter
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Dec 11, 2006
Hi all,
We are currently using VWD and Sql Server Express 2005. There is now SSE SP1 available (as well as another version with additional software). So, I have some questions:
1) Is the only difference between SSE and SSE SP1 just the addition of Management Studio Express?
2) Can I just upgrade to SSE SP1 separately, (It installed automatically when I installed VWD), and will VWD still work correctly with all the databases I have already created?
3) We are considering upgrading to full Sql Server in the near future. I have heard that there are problems if we have Management Studio Express installed and then try to install full Sql Server. Is this true?
Thanks for your help,
Claude.
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Sep 4, 2007
I am planning to create an application in SQL Express Advanced SP2, and later upgrading to Standard Edition. The Express SP2 Readme states somewhat unclearly that this might not be possible, that upgrading must be done prior to installing SP2, and then SP2 can be applied. I'm confused about my options.
Right now, I need to use Express Advanced for the reporting capabilities, etc., but the only available download I can find is Express Advanced SP2. If I install and use this, will I later be able to upgrade "seamlessly" to Standard Edition? Or should I install an earlier version of Express Advanced? Also, I haven't seen a lot of advice about the "seamless" upgrade from Express to other editions. If any help can be provided to answer the first question and/or point me toward upgrade documentation, it would be appreciated.
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Dec 10, 2007
I have two questions:
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Jun 26, 2006
Hello. I want to Upgrade my database that is in SQL server Express Edition to SQL server 2005 standard.
I am using Report server. So my question is, is there something I should do before I make the upgrade? or it is a clean upgrade? (meaning: only following wizard instructions).
Thanks.
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Sep 24, 2007
Good day all, I apologize if this is somewhere and I didnt search enough. I currently have a nice internal application that provides company wide visibility into some key data. Im now being asked to create some reports from an Oracle 9i platform in SQL 2005 Reports Server. However the ORACLE data extension is not allowed in the express edition so Im stuck for a moment. I would like to do an inplace upgrade of my existing MS SQL server from 2005 express to 2005 standard. However, I am a little concerned it might break some things. Has anyone achieved this with great results, a mixed bag, or totally blown up their server? I would like to know the good, bad and then down right ugly details of this if there are any. I am currently running a windows 2003 server with MS SQL 2005 Express (Advanced edition to get the Report Server in there). Is it at all possible to do an inplace upgrade from Express to Standard edition and not lose any connectivity permissions, reports server and so on? Would there be 2 seperate installations one for SQL Server and another for the Report server?
Thanks in advance for all your replies, Ive used this forum on many occasions and learned alot along the way. I hope someone here can help.
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Jan 31, 2007
I have SQL Server 2005 Express that was installed with SharePoint Server 2007. I'm trying to upgrade it to SQL Server 2005 Standard edition and it gives this "Edition Change Check (Warning)" message:
"To change an existing instance of Microsoft SQL Server 2005 to a different edition of SQL Server 2005, you must run SQL Server 2005 Setup from the command prompt and include the SKUUPGRADE=1 parameter."
I tried "setup skuupgrade=1" from the command prompt, but it's giving me the same message.
Can someone tell me how to correctly make the upgrade?
Sam
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Apr 2, 2007
Hello all:
We are currently running SQL Server 7.0 and were wondering if an upgrade to 2005 Express would be possible.
We have several applications which rely on the data stored in said database app and would like to minimize the downtime.
Is this even possible? Anything to watch out for? Differences in data access?
Thanks,
John
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May 1, 2007
Can anyone provide advice on resolving the problem as logged below? Unable to manually start the service.
Time: 05/01/2007 03:03:30.348
KB Number: KB921896
Machine: TOM-XPS-T600R
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Package Language: 1033 (ENU)
Package Platform: x86
Package SP Level: 2
Package Version: 3042
Command-line parameters specified:
/quiet
/allinstances
Cluster Installation: No
**********************************************************************************
Prerequisites Check & Status
SQLSupport: Passed
**********************************************************************************
Products Detected Language Level Patch Level Platform Edition
Express Database Services (SQLEXPRESS) ENU RTM 2005.090.1399.00 x86 EXPRESS
Express Database Services (SQLExpress) ENU RTM x86 EXPRESS
**********************************************************************************
Products Disqualified & Reason
Product Reason
Express Database Services (SQLEXPRESS) Unable to start service
**********************************************************************************
Processes Locking Files
Process Name Feature Type User Name PID
**********************************************************************************
Product Installation Status
Product : Express Database Services (SQLEXPRESS)
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) :
Status : Not Applied
Log File :
SQL Express Features : SQL_Data_Files,SQL_Engine,SQL_Replication,SQL_SharedTools
Error Number : 11042
Error Description : Unable to start service
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Product : Express Database Services (SQLExpress)
Product Version (Previous):
Product Version (Final) :
Status : Not Applied
Log File :
SQL Express Features : Client_Components,Connectivity,SDK
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
**********************************************************************************
Summary
Unable to start service
Exit Code Returned: 11042
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Mar 1, 2007
So I've tried today to upgrade a SQL Express instance on a machine where "proper" SQL has already been upgraded.
It fails.
The error code is 2259. Database: Table(s) Update failed
So I thought I'd uninstall SQL Express altogether and just do a full install. But it cannot find the MSI files to uninstall itself.
The part of the log file referring to it appears to be
<Func Name='ProcessHeaderTable'>
<Func Name='ProcessScriptTable'>
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
<Func Name='ProcessScriptTable'>
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
MSI (s) (B4!EC) [18:23:49:453]: Note: 1: 2259 2: 3: 4:
<Func Name='GetFileTargetPath'>
Error Code: 0x8007065b (1627)
Windows Error Text: Function failed during execution.
Source File Name: darlibviewinstaller.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Wed Jun 14 16:19:22 2006
Function Name: sqls::ViewInstaller::modify
Source Line Number: 137
---- Context -----------------------------------------------
Setting status of unmanaged components and removing unmanaged resources
Failed to modify installer view
1: 2259 2: 3: 4:
Error Code: 1627
MSI (s) (B4!EC) [18:23:54:890]: Product: Microsoft SQL Server 2005 -- Error 2259. The installer has encountered an unexpected error. The error code is 2259. Database: Table(s) Update failed
Error 2259. The installer has encountered an unexpected error. The error code is 2259. Database: Table(s) Update failed
<Failure Type='Fatal' Error='1627'>
<EndFunc Name='LaunchFunction' Return='1627' GetLastError='203'>
Action ended 18:23:54: ValidateUpgrade.D20239D7_E87C_40C9_9837_E70B8D4882C2. Return value 3.
Anyone got any ideas?
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