Express Vs Workgroup - Should I Upgrade?

Apr 26, 2007

Hello,

I am currently hosting my ecommerce site on a dedicated server with dual AMD processors and 2 gigs of ram. I have on average 20 people on the site at one time.

on this server i have sql express, from which i understand, only utilizes one of the processors and 1gig of ram. I have the choice to pay an extra 150 a month to have my host put sql workgroup on my system.

My question is, will i notice any kind of real performace boost by upgrading. Or at the level that i am at, there wont be much difference?

Any help would be very useful.

Thanks

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Machine: TOM-XPS-T600R
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Package Language: 1033 (ENU)
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Prerequisites Check & Status
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**********************************************************************************
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Express Database Services (SQLEXPRESS) ENU RTM 2005.090.1399.00 x86 EXPRESS
Express Database Services (SQLExpress) ENU RTM x86 EXPRESS

**********************************************************************************
Products Disqualified & Reason
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Express Database Services (SQLEXPRESS) Unable to start service

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Processes Locking Files
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**********************************************************************************
Product Installation Status
Product : Express Database Services (SQLEXPRESS)
Product Version (Previous): 1399
Product Version (Final) :
Status : Not Applied
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Product : Express Database Services (SQLExpress)
Product Version (Previous):
Product Version (Final) :
Status : Not Applied
Log File :
SQL Express Features : Client_Components,Connectivity,SDK
Error Number : 0
Error Description :
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Summary
Unable to start service
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