Full And Incremental Backup Question
Jun 14, 2007
1) We are doing Weekly Full & DAILY night incremental backup of TL using Veritas Backup Manager to Tape.
One day I took Incremental Backup of TL file manually using studio and deleted the backup file.
Will I able to restore completed if something happens on next day ? Is automated backup takes care of Incremental backup from last night instead of manual interim backup ?
What is the recommendation ? If automated backup is enabled, we should not do manual backup ?
2) In Full Recovery Modek , If I do full backup , Does it backup Transactional Log also or only Datafiles ?
Thanks
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Feb 1, 2001
hi, I would like to know the correct reaction for a crash in both senarios.
First senario,
I made a full back up at 6 am , then scheduled sql server to make transaction log back up every 2 hours (8,10,12,2 pm,4,6,8) . If I have a crash at 12:30. How would I resotre the data in the first senario....Can I restore the full back up done at 6 am then restore the last transaction log backup ( which is 12 Noon ) . I am not sure If I need to resotre the whole tran from 6 am till the time it was crashed.
Second senario,
I made a full back up at 6 am, then scheduled sql server to make Incremental backup every 2 hours (8,10,12,2 pm,4,6,8) . If I have a crash at 3:00 pm. How would I resotre the data in the second senario. ....Do I restore the full backup at 6 am then restore each incremental backup backwords ( 2,12,10,8)
AS you can see, I am not sure how to deal with this issue, I do appreciate your feedback.
Best regards
Ahmed
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Mar 1, 2006
My Question is of understanding Incremental Backup. How does this work,
Does it go by new files added or activate on file size.
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Jun 25, 2002
Does an Differential Backup contain all the changes since the last full backup, including Inserts, Updates, and Deletions. Our DB has "Truncate on Checkpoint" = True, so Log backups are non-sensical. I want to apply the Differentials to an archive, offline DB.
"one pebble does not fill the void, but it is a start."
"Dedicated to only creating original mistakes."
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Apr 11, 2007
Hi,
I am working on one application, which retrieves data from multiple tables in the database and all the fields retrieved, are exported as an excel sheet. All the export functionality is done through DTS. And the data is retrieved using an SP.
I am supposed to use an "incremental backup" approach here. Means, for the 1st scheduling of the package, all the database dump will be there in excel file. But, after that only fields that are updated/inserted are to be filled in the excel file. Each time, when the dump of the database is taken, the excel file is stored in an archive folder with Date and tiemstamp(e.g. TEST_11_04_2007_15_00_00.xls)
e.g. For the first dump, I get 100 records from the database. Before next execution of the package, 10 rows get inserted and 1 row gets updated. So, on the second time execution of the package, I should populate the excel sheet with those 11 rows only, and not 110 records.
I am not authorised to change the database schema.
So, is there any approach to try out this?
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Apr 11, 2007
Hi,I am working on one application, which retrieves data from multiple tables in the database and all the fields retrieved, are exported as an excel sheet. All the export functionality is done through DTS. And the data is retrieved using an SP.I am supposed to use an "incremental backup" approach here. Means, for the 1st scheduling of the package, all the database dump will be there in excel file. But, after that only fields that are updated/inserted are to be filled in the excel file. Each time, when the dump of the database is taken, the excel file is stored in an archive folder with Date and tiemstamp(e.g. TEST_11_04_2007_15_00_00.xls)e.g. For the first dump, I get 100 records from the database. Before next execution of the package, 10 rows get inserted and 1 row gets updated. So, on the second time execution of the package, I should populate the excel sheet with those 11 rows only, and not 110 records.I am not authorised to change the database schema.So, is there any approach to try out this?
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Feb 1, 2001
hi, I would like to know the correct reaction for a crash in both senarios.
First senario,
I made a full back up at 6 am , then scheduled sql server to make transaction log back up every 2 hours (8,10,12,2 pm,4,6,8) . If I have a crash at 12:30. How would I resotre the data in the first senario....Can I restore the full back up done at 6 am then restore the last transaction log backup ( which is 12 Noon ) . I am not sure If I need to resotre the whole tran from 6 am till the time it was crashed.
Second senario,
I made a full back up at 6 am, then scheduled sql server to make Incremental backup every 2 hours (8,10,12,2 pm,4,6,8) . If I have a crash at 3:00 pm. How would I resotre the data in the second senario. ....Do I restore the full backup at 6 am then restore each incremental backup backwords ( 2,12,10,8)
AS you can see, I am not sure how to deal with this issue, I do appreciate your feedback.
Best regards
Ahmed
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Feb 19, 2015
Using Ola Hallengren's scripts I do a full backup of a database on a Sunday. Then differential backups every 6 hours and log backups every hour. I would like to keep a full week of backups based off the full backup done on Sunday. Is there a way for me to clear out the diff and log folders after the successful full backup on Sunday nights?
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Aug 3, 2015
Need to restore database,here's the scenario:
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Jul 15, 2015
We take a full backup in the early morning and hourly transaction log back during the working hours for one database in the production server. The application team made certain changes to the design of the said database in their development server. The backup from the development server was restored to the production server during working hours. After the restoration should we take a full backup before next transactional logbackup? Would the transactional log backup with out a full backup after the restoration of a database be valid?
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Nov 16, 2015
I have a database that is just over 1.5GB and the Full backup that is 13GB not sure how this is since we have compression on for full backups and my other full backups are much smaller than there respective databases...Now my full backup is taken every Sunday night and the differentials are taken every 6 hours after the full backup. Now I have been thrown into this DBA role with little to no experience just what I have picked up and read. So my understanding of backups are limited but what I think I understand is that we take a full backup and the differential only captures what changes in the database so my question is why is my database 1.5GB but my differential is 15.4GB? I have others database that are on the same instance and don't seem to have this problem. I also just noticed that we do not rebuild the index before a full backup like we do on other instances...
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Nov 29, 2007
If my backup starts at 8PM and take 1 hour to complete, will the changes made to the database during that hour be captured in the full backup?
Stated another way, will my backup be a snapshot of:
a) 8PM when the backup started
b) 8PM with some of the changes made between the hour
c) 9PM when the backup finished?
Anybody know the exact way SQL Server handles that logic?
Thanks,
Marc
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Jul 19, 2007
Hi
I am using the Simple recovery model and I'm taking a weekly full backup each Monday morning with differentials taken every 4 hours during the day.
On Wednesday afternoon, a programmer ran a process that corrupted the db and I had to restore to the most recent differential. It was 5pm in the afternoon and a differential backup had just occured at 4pm. No problem, I figured.
I restored the full backup from Monday morning and tried to restore the most recent differential backup. The differential restore failed. Since I had used T-SQL for the initial attempt, I tried using Enterprise Manager to try again.
When viewing the backup history, I see my initial full backup taken on Monday plus all the differentials. BUT, on closer inspection, I noticed another full backup in the backup history that was taken early Tuesday morning. I can't figure out where this Tuesday morning full backup came from. It wasn't taken by me (or scheduled by me) and I'm the only one with access to the server. My full backups are usually named something like HCMPRP_20070718_FULL.bak. This erroneous full backup was named something like HCMPRP_03a_361adk2k_dd53.bak. It seemed like it was a system generated name. Not something I would choose. To top it off, I could not find this backup file anywhere on the server and when I tried to restore using this full backup, it failed.
Does anyone have any clues as to where this full backup might come from? Does SQL Server trigger a full backup on its own if some threshold is reached?
I ended up having to restore using the differential taken just before this erroneous full backup and lost a day of transactions.
Any insight is greatly appreciated.
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Aug 8, 2007
Hello,
I have MS SQL 2005 server with 300+ databases on it. The application is set up that way that it creates a new database as needed (dynamically). Do not ask me why - I hate this design... So, it can create 3-4 databases a day (random time).
I've scheduled full backup of all databases to run once at night, and it runs just fine. Besides that, I have scheduled tran logs backup of all databases to run every hour. This backup fails from time to time with the following error:
Executing the query "BACKUP LOG [survey_p0886464_test] TO DISK = N'D:\backups\log backups\survey_p0886464_test_backup_200708072300.trn' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N'survey_p0886464_test_backup_20070807230002', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
" failed with the following error: "BACKUP LOG cannot be performed because there is no current database backup.
BACKUP LOG is terminating abnormally.". Possible failure reasons: Problems with the query, "ResultSet" property not set correctly, parameters not set correctly, or connection not established correctly.
So, I think what happens is since my full backup of all databases are scheduled to run only once at night, and tran logs every hour, when new database is created during the day, there is no full backup for it, that is why tran logs backup fails. Becuase after the failure, if I run full backup again, then tran log runs just fine afterwards.
I am new to MS SQL Server, I am mostly working with Sybase IQ. Do you know if I can "trigger" full backup every time when new database created to avoid tran lof failure?
Or is it possible to schedule full backup to run if tran log backup fails?
Any advice will be much appreciated.
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Oct 17, 2006
I have a full backup and several diff backup,now i want to restore
firstly,I restore full backup
RESTORE DATABASE ***
FROM DISK = 'D:databackup200610140000.bak'
WITH NORECOVERY
GO
it's working,then i don;'t know how to continue
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Mar 11, 2008
Hello, everyone:
I just heard that for restore purpose, ths full backup and transaction log backup should be from one maintenance plan. Otherwise transaction log backup files cannot be restored after restoring full backup files.
Is it true? Can anyone offer official documents?
In my system, full and transaction backups are from one maintenance plan. Restores are doing fine. I am not sure that ideal is true or not.
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ZYT
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Mar 15, 2007
If I create an adhoc db backup that takes, say 30 miuntes to complete, should I suspend the tran log backups that run every 10 minutes, until the full backup is complete?
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Jun 6, 2007
Hi,
Using SQL Server 2005, we have a 2.8Gb database under the Simple recovery model. The database contains ~50M rows and each night ~60k rows are loaded(appended) to the database by a SSIS task.
We configured a Maintenance Plan which is executed once a week to perform a full backup of the database. The resulting backup file is ~2.8Gb, as expected.
We also configured another Maintenance Plan which is executed every day, a few hours after the SSIS task is executed, to perform a differential backup. To our surprise, the resulting backup file is about the same size as the full backup, ~2.8Gb when it should only be a few MB (only 60k rows are added to the database)
When we launch the "Restore Database" wizzard we clearly see the different backup set, Full and Differential but they all have about the same size (same for the physical backup file on disk).
Is there anything we are missing, why are the differential backup that big?
Thanks for any advice.
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Oct 23, 2015
In SQL Server, whether the full backup of a database includes the backup of the log?
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Jun 14, 2007
Hi:
I have 30 databases on sql server 2005 that I need to do a full backup every morning at 7:00 and tran log backup every 30 minutes until 7:00 PM. If I create a maintenance plan for a backup using the wizard I have the option of starting a full backup at 7 am and then an option of doing tran log backups every hour using a different schedule. I plan on selecting the option to create a different folder for every database. I just need to confirm that in this way the way to restore the data would be
1. to restore a full backup
2. apply all the tran logs depending on the time they want to recover back to.
I just think this is the easiest approach to have 30 databases on the same backup scheme instead of creating a separate backup device for each database and doing a full backup on that device and appending all tran logs to that device which means just 1 bak file versus the above strategy with a number of tran log files. Please advise.
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Jul 20, 2005
I start a full backup on a database at 5pm. The backup job takes 3hours to complete. While the backup job is running, someone insertsrecords to the db. Will the backup include the new records? Or inother words, are the contents of a SQL Server backup a snapshot of thedatabase at the start time of the backup?
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Dec 10, 2007
I have a scheduled job backup/maintenance plan. In it I told it to delete all logs older than one day.
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Feb 23, 2015
We need to setup an AO availability Group for a database for which a full backup exists but the DB is in simple recovery mode now. If i change the recovery mode to full and try to configure AG will this full backup will be used or do i need to create a new full backup.
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Jul 20, 2005
If a full backup kicks off at 6pm within SQL Server, and takes 2 hoursto complete, will transactions between 6pm and 8pm be included in thebackup?Tks
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Jul 20, 2005
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Dec 5, 2007
Hi all,
We have log shipping set up for some our databases.
So, my question is, Can i take a FULL BACKUP of databases which are involved in log shiping at primary.
--> Please give your comments on this.
Thanks.
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Nov 29, 2000
We are doing a full backup at night. During the day we are doing a backup of the log every hour. How do I delete the log backups from the media without deleting the device itself. I would like to do this once we have a full backup for the day. The media we are backing up the logs to is disk.
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Feb 17, 2004
Hi Everybody,
I am kind of new to MS SQL server databases. I like to take a full export at database level. When I use DTS wizard, it did allow me to take one table at a given time. I have 1000's of table in my database. Manually doing so is not possible. Should i call the 'bcp' command line utility 1000 times to collect the table data to 1000 different flatfiles or is there any provision to take export of all the 1000 tables in one single command/tool.
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Apr 30, 2008
Please correct me if I am wrong with this:
I am using SQL Server 2000, when I do a backup I use the database maintenance plan at enterprise manager. I select my database and then I schedule the complete backup and transaction log backup to "everyday at 22:00:00"
My question is, do I really need to do the transaction log backup? If I am not wrong with the complete backup I can already recover all my data, the transaction log backup is useless if done at the same time that I do the complete backup, right?
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Mar 10, 2008
I have this database "DB1" which is in FULL recovery mode.
I run full daily backup -Monday to Saturday
DB1_Mon.bak
DB1_Tue.bak
DB1_Wed.bak
DB1_Thur.bak
DB1_Fri.bak
DB1_Sat.bak
Come Sunday - for the first time I have run transaction log backup.
DB1_Sun.trn
And now, I need to restore DB1 - but the only full backup that I have is the Monday - "DB1_Mon.bak"
Is my database complete if I restore only "DB1_Mon.bak" plus the "DB1_Sun.trn"?
Jeboy
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Jun 10, 2006
Hi MVPS/MS Experts:
Pardon me and my ignorance for asking this question. I just want to understand the backup architecture more clearly. According to BOL (both in SQL 2k and SQL 2k5) in simple recovery mode trasaction log backup is not possible since the log is truncated on checkpoint which is true. Also we know that FULL backup backups both the db and transaction log as well.
My question is what happens when a database is in simple recovery mode and a full backup is done. since the tran log cannot be backed up does only the db backup is done when a full backup is done?. What exactly happens behind the scenarios?. Is it that only the active log gets backed up when a full backup is done in simple recovery mode?. I am trying to understand how a full backup in simple recovery mode behaves without contradicting the full backup architecture and that the veracity of the statement (both db and tran log backup in full backup mode) holds true for a simple recovery scenario.
MVPs/ MS Experts if you could Please explain it in detail, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks
Ankith
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Jan 31, 2008
First off let me say I am very new to SQL Server so this may be a stupid question but I can't seem to find the answer anywhere.
I am trying to back up my database by right clicking on my database and selecting back up from tasks. When I click back up I get the following error:
TITLE: Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio Express
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Backup failed for Server 'SERVER82SQLSERVEREXP2'. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Express.Smo)
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
System.Data.SqlClient.SqlError: The backup of full-text catalog 'Misc' is not permitted because it is not online. Check errorlog file for the reason that full-text catalog became offline and bring it online. Or BACKUP can be performed by using the FILEGROUP or FILE clauses to restrict the selection to include only online data. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Express.Smo)
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BUTTONS:
OK
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I have researched a little online and it seems that I don't have full-text indexing installed.
Now for the questions.
1. Can I backup some other way than the method I am using now?
2. How do I install full-text indexing?
Thanks!
Pete
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Jun 28, 2006
Has anyone come across a more accurate method than sp_spaceused to estimate the size of a full database backup for SQL Server 2000 ?
I have found this to have too great a variance (even after running updateusage) to rely on any accuracy for it. I have also looked at perhaps using the ALLOCATED Pages indicated in the GAM pages but this also seems to be pretty inaccurate.
I have a number of servers where space can be limited and backups using Maintenance Plans have occasionally failed because they delete the old backups AFTER they do the latest one. I am writing a script which can check the space remaining and adjust the backup accordingly but the variance I have observed so far with sp_spaceused is too great.
Any ideas welcomed.
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