I have been testing one of our Apps under SQL 2005 Express and I am seeing a big downgrade in performance compared to MSDE on the same hardware. Has anyone else experienced this?
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Aussie Coder
Hello, all, I started out thinking my problems were elsewhere but as Ihave worked through this I have isolated my problem, currently, as adifference between MSDE and SQL Express 2005 (I'll just call itExpress for simplicity).I have, to try to simplify things, put the exact same DB on twosystems, one running MSDE and one running Express. Both have 2 Ghzprocessors (one Intel, one AMD), both have a decent amount of RAM(Intel system has 1 GB, AMD system has 512 MB), and plenty of GB offree disk space. MSDE is running on the Intel system, Express isrunning on the AMD system. To keep things fair I use the exact sameDB's and query on both systems. The DB's were created on MSDE so Isp_detach_db'd them from MSDE and then sp_attach_db'd them to Express(this is how MS says to do a "side-by-side" upgrade, so it'sacceptable to do so). After fighting problems in performancedifferences in different situations I have narrowed the problem downto this:Executing a simple select statement with join clause on the databasesyields a difference in execution time that is quite great. Using theExpress Management program I can run the query against either system(MSDE or Express, the two systems are connected via crossover cable toeliminate any network problems/issues). When running the queryagainst the MSDE system (which is over the network) I consistently get<20 ms response times on the query. When running the query againstthe Express installation (which is in shared memory) I consistentlyget 700 ms or longer response times. Both times are for the TotalExecution Time.The query is simply this: select db1.* from db1.owner.tablename as db1inner join db2.owner.tablename as db2 on db1.pkey = db2.someid wheredb1.criteria = 3So, gimme all the columns from one table in one DB (local to theinstallation), matching the records in another DB (also local to theinstallation), where one field in the first db matches a field in thesecond db and where, in the first db, one column value = 3.The first table has a total record count of 630 records of which only12 match the where clause. The second table has a total record countof about 2,700 of which only 12 match up on the 12 out of 630.Even though the data is the same and I've done the detach and attach,and even done the sp_updatestats, the difference in execution time isremarkable, in a bad way.Checking the Execution Plan reveals that both queries have the samesteps, but, on the MSDE system the largest consumer in the process isthe Clustered Index Scan of the 630 record table (DB1 in my queryexample), using 85%. The next big consumer is a Clustered Index Seekagainst the other table (2,700 rows), using 15%.The Execution Plan against the Express system reveals basically theexact opposite: 27% going to the Clustered Index Scan of the 630record DB1, and 72% going to the Clustered Index Seek of the 2,700record DB2.I'm sorry to be stupid but I have this information but I don't knowwhat to do with it. The best that I can tell from this is that thisis the source of my problems. My problems are that on my currentsystems that my clients use the data is returned to them faster thanthey can click the mouse and that the new system (that is, when theychose (or are forced by attrition) to move to Vista and thus Express2005) the screen pop is like 1.5 seconds. This creates poor userexperience. Worse, one process I allow the users to do goes fromtaking 14-30 seconds to over 4 minutes (all on the same machine withthe same OS and version of my program, so it's not a machine or OS ormy app problem).Anyway, I hope someone can shed some light on this now that I've paredit down some.Thanks in advance.--HC
View 9 Replies View RelatedHi,
Recently we have migrated our application from MSDE 2000 to SQL Server Express 2005(SP 1). This has significantly reduced the performance of our Windows.NET application which is developed using C#.
For example : While logging in to the application two databases are being attached.
Time taken in MSDE: 16 secs
Time taken in SQL Server Express 2005 : 58 secs
Also note performance is degraded for normal screens where data is retrived from database using inline queries.
Questions:
1) Is there any special(optimum) configuration(installation parameters) while installing the SQL Server Express 2005 setup?
2) Is there any query optimization to be done w.r.t SQL Server Express 2005 ?
We highly appreciate any help towards resolving the above problem.
Regards,
Sasi
I posted previously about concerns of using SQL Server 2005 Express in a shared hosting environment that is running SQL Server 2000. While I've received no responses I'm beginning to assume that an .mdf file created by mssql 2005 cannot be attached to mssql 2000. So I have a few questions...How do I set Visual Studio to create the aspnetdb file using an instance of msde instead of sql server express 2005? I've already tried changing the Instance name under Tools...Options...Database Tools...Data Connections to my msde instance but when I create a new site and use the the website configuration tool a sql 2005 db is still created in the App_Data folder.Do I need to uninstall 2005 express? Manually create and place a new .mdf file in the App_Data folder?
View 1 Replies View RelatedIs the installation of MSDE and SQL Express 2005 on the same computer a supported configuration?
Many thanks
Original code (works in Sql Server 2000 but has error in Sql Server 2005) --
AND A_ED.EFFDT <= SUBSTRING(CONVERT(CHAR,GETDATE(),121), 1, 10))
Error message in Sql Server 2005 --
Server: Msg 8180, Level 16, State 1, Line 38
Statement(s) could not be prepared.
Server: Msg 107, Level 16, State 1, Line 38
The column prefix 'Tbl1001' does not match with a table name or alias name used in the query.
Corrected code --
AND SUBSTRING(CONVERT(CHAR,A_ED.EFFDT,121), 1, 10) <= SUBSTRING(CONVERT(CHAR,GETDATE(),121), 1, 10))
Hi - is it possible to migrate to SQL Server 2005 Express from MSDE - and still use ASP.Net 1.1? Or will Express only work with ASP.Net 2.0?My MSDE database has simple SPs (no functions), and straight forward tables - can I just use DTS from Enterprise Manager to transfer this from MSDE to SQL Express, or create a backup, and import that into SQL Express 2005?Also, there was a sort of Enterprise Manager available for SQL Server 2005 Express at one point - does anyone know where to find that?Thanks for any pointers/help.Mark
View 4 Replies View RelatedHi guys,
I'm just wondering if the MSDE & SQL Server 2005 Express can run on the same machine(winxp) without conflicts. Because I need both the reporting services & the publication functionality of replication.
Thanks in advance.
Hi,
I have 2 MSDE 2000 Instances installed on Windows 2003 Server STd w/ SP1.
The application relating to the default instance is being upgraded and will require SQL 2005 Express.
What is the best approach? So the named instance of MSDE 2000 still functions correctly.
Upgrade default instance of MSDE to SQL 2005, or install SQL 2005 Express to own path and restore the DB accross? Then remove the Default Instance of MSDE 2000.
Both MSDE 2000 Instances are listed in Add/Remove Programs.
Thanks
I read in the installation requirements document for SQL Server 2005 Express the section on upgrading MSDE to SQL Server 2005 Express. The section indicated that if MSDE is installed via an application installation, that application will have to be uninstalled to remove MSDE. This leads to my question.
The small application I'm looking into developing will require SQL Server 2005 Express. What if a customer is using an application that installed MSDE? Can the two products coexist without problems?
Thanks!!
Hi I would like to ask If its possible to have installed MSDE 2000 and SQL 2005 Express on the same machine. My computer uses MSDE 2000 for one application and I would like to install SQL 2005 Express for my own application. I would like to ask it will be a problem before I install it.
thanks a lot
Martin Molnar
has anybody tried to do that yet? any experiences? how-tos?
View 3 Replies View RelatedHey, This is my first time posting here but here goes nothing...
Ok I upgraded an xp machine running to sql express 2005 by doing the inplace upgrade. The upgrade process went great, after the upgrade I could connect to the databases that had been upgraded using the management studio.
BUT.
When I try to connect to the databases using the third party software which had always worked in the past I get the error when trying to access from both the client and server machines.
[DBNETLIB][Connection open()).]SQL Server does not exist or access denied.
I then tried setting up SQL express 2005 on another xp station just to test how things worked if it wasn't an upgrade. I installed, attached the databases (which I copied to that local machine) and I was able to connect to them through the third party software from the server machine, but not client machines. The client machines gave me the same error as above.
Does anyone have any ideas, I have been talking to the third party support but haven't gotten any where yet... does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Hi,
I am trying to upgrade MSDE 2000 to MS SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 (Build 9.00.3042.0) using a silent install.
MSDE on our systems is installed as a standalone product. There is only a single default instance (MSSQLSERVER) running on the system. SQL Authentication mode is being used.
When I try and upgrade MSDE 2000 directly to MS SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2, the install fails with an error:
"SQL Server Setup Cannot Upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server Credential. You must use Windows Authentication credential for the upgrade"
When I try to upgrade the default instance of MSDE to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 selecting Windows authentication (logging in as a domain/local administrator to the server), the install fails with an error:
"Server Setup could not connect to the database service for server configuration. The error was: [Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Login failed for user <mydomain><AdminID>"
However, MSDE 2000 upgrade to an earlier version of MS SQL Server 2005 Express Edition (Build 9.00.1399.6) using SA Authentication works successfully without any errors.
So I tried to upgrade our MSDE installation to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 (Build 9.00.3042.0) as a 2 step process. First by upgrading MSDE to SQL Server 2005 (Build 9.00.1399.6) using SA Authentication which works successfully as mentioned earlier.
However, when I try and upgrade SQL Server 2005 (Build 9.00.1399.6) to SQL Server 2005 SP2 (Build 9.00.3042.0) using SA Authentication, I receive the same error as before:
"SQL Server Setup Cannot Upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server Credential. You must use Windows Authentication credential for the upgrade"
When I upgrade using Windows Authentication, the setup displays the following error:
"[Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Password validation failed. The password does not meet the requirements of the password filter DLL.. To continue, correct the problem, and then run SQL Server Setup again"
The log file content for the error is:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------SQL_ERROR (-1) in OdbcStatement::execute_batch
sqlstate=01000, level=0, state=1, native_error=0, msg=[Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Signing sps ...
sqlstate=42000, level=16, state=1, native_error=15119, msg=[Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Password validation failed. The password does not meet the requirements of the password filter DLL.
sqlstate=HY000, level=0, state=0, native_error=0, msg=[Microsoft][SQL Native Client]Unspecified error occurred on SQL Server. Connection may have been terminated by the server.
sqlstate=42000, level=16, state=2, native_error=2745, msg=[Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Process ID 51 has raised user error 50000, severity 20. SQL Server is terminating this process.
sqlstate=HY000, level=20, state=127, native_error=50000, msg=[Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Cannot create ##MS_AgentSigningCertificate## in msdb. INSTMSDB.SQL terminating.
Error Code: 15119
MSI (s) (08!80) [10:56:13:133]: PROPERTY CHANGE: Adding SqlUpgradeMessage property. Its value is 'SQL Server Setup has encountered the following problem: [Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Password validation failed. The password does not meet the requirements of the password filter DLL.. To continue, correct the problem, and then run SQL Server Setup again.'.
SQL Server Setup has encountered the following problem:
Failed to execute the Transact-SQL statement:
/**************************************************************/
/* Sign agent sps and ...
Script file: sqlagent90_msdb_upgrade.sql
The error was: [Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Password validation failed. The password does not meet the requirements of the password filter DLL.. To continue, correct the problem, and then run SQL Server Setup again.
SQL_ERROR (-1) in OdbcHandle::release
sqlstate=HY010, level=-1, state=-1, native_error=0, msg=[Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Function sequence error
SQL_ERROR (-1) in OdbcHandle::release
sqlstate=HY010, level=-1, state=-1, native_error=0, msg=[Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Function sequence error
SQL_ERROR (-1) in OdbcHandle::release
sqlstate=HY010, level=-1, state=-1, native_error=0, msg=[Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Function sequence error
Error Code: 0x80073b0f (15119)
Windows Error Text: Source File Name: libodbc_statement.h
Compiler Timestamp: Wed Jun 14 16:28:15 2006
Function Name: OdbcStatement::execute_batch@sqlagent90_msdb_upgrade.sql@967
Source Line Number: 91
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The registry entries suggest that the version now is 9.00.3042.0. However, I am not sure if the upgrade was successful. I can connect to the database using the old SA user ID and password.
If anyone else has faced similar issues, please let me know the workaround for the same.
Thanks and Regards,
Sahil Girotra
Hi,
I am planning an upgrade from MSDE to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 (Build 9.00.3042.0) for our 2000/2K3 Servers. The MSDE installation on our servers is a standalone installation (default instance) and uses Mixed Mode Authentication. When I execute the setup program for upgrade and choose SQL Server Authentication (and enter the corresponding SA user Id password), the setup program displays an error "SQL Server Setup cannot upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server Credential. You must use Windows Authentication credential for the upgrade". However, when I select Windows Authentication for the upgrade, the setup program displays an error €ś[Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Password validation failed. The password does not meet the requirements of the password filter DLL.. To continue, correct the problem, and then run SQL Server Setup again€? (Error Code 15119).
I even tried changing the Authentication mode from Mixed Mode to Windows Authentication (by changing the LoginMode registry key value to 1) and running the upgrade using Windows Authentication, but I receive the same error.
1) Is the password policy for SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 different from MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express Edition (Initial Version), since upgrade from MSDE to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition (Initial Version) worked successfully without any issues.
2) When I am using Windows Authentication for the upgrade, the installer does not prompt me for any password. What password is the installer validating against the password filter DLL? Is there a way to find it out? Also, is it possible to find out what was the reason for the password validation to fail?
I would really appreciate if I could get some answers to all the problems I am facing.
Thanks in Advance.
Regards,
Sahil Girotra
I have a Windows Server 2000/Windows Server 2003 Environments with MSDE installed (default instance) and SecurityMode is SQL. I want to upgrade from MSDE to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition using a silent install since the number of servers is huge.
I downloaded the latest SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 Version 9.0.3042.0 from http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/bb410792.aspx
I am having the following problems:
- When I try to upgrade the default instance of MSDE (MSSQLSERVER) to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 using the above installer and selecting SQL authentication, the install fails with an error "SQL Server Setup Cannot Upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server Credential. You must use Windows Authentication credential for the upgrade".
- When I try to upgrade the default instance of MSDE (MSSQLSERVER) to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 using the above installer and selecting Windows authentication, the install fails with an error "Server Setup could not connect to the database service for server configuration. The error was: [Microsoft][SQL Native Client][SQL Server]Login failed for user <mydomain><AdminID>
I had earlier tested upgrading the MSDE installation to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition Version 9.00.1399.6 downloaded from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=220549b5-0b07-4448-8848-dcc397514b41&displaylang=en and the upgrade worked successfully using SQL Authentication (SA User and corresponding password), but for some reason it doesn't work when I use the latest version 9.0.3042.0.
Has anyone else faced similar issues. Any tips on how I can upgrade from MSDE to SQL Server 2005 Express Edition SP2 are welcome.
Thanks in Advance.
Sahil Girotra
Hi,
View 5 Replies View RelatedI have a database on one server that is running MSDE and I would like to copy it to another server running SQL Server Express.
The process I followed was to create a backup on the first server.
Copy the backup file to the other sever
Then restore using the backed database file on the new server
Is this the right procedure? Everything I see about migrating in on the same server. I do not want to do it on the same server as we are migrating the application to the new server.
I am creating an install for our product and as part of the changes I
am making, I want to upgrade a user's DB engine, if they are still
using MSDE 1.0, to SQL Express 2005.
The upgrade path we have chosen is the following.....
MSDE 1.0 --> MSDE 1.0 sp4 --> SQL Express 2005
I believe this should work, yes? Anywho, I am trying to run a
"passive" install of SQL Express and I am using the following parameter
list:
/qb
UPGRADE=SQL_Engine INSTANCENAME=MSSQLSERVER ADDLOCAL=ALL
DISABLENETWORKPROTOCOLS=0 SECURITYMODE=SQL SQLAUTOSTART=1
SQLBROWSERAUTOSTART=1 SQLACCOUNT="NT AUTHORITYSYSTEM"
SQLBROWSERACCOUNT="NT AUTHORITYSYSTEM"
When SQL Express is installing, everything installs properly except the
backward compatibility component....any idea why this is happening?
I'm certain that some of the above parameters (in red) are wrong because if I install all the engines (above in blue) manually then it all works.
Thanks
Can anybody help?
I have a Windows XP and 2003 server; we have installed SQL 2005 Express on it but have an application that installs MSDE 2000 to connect to an application. After the MSDE 2000 is installed we can no longer see the instance across the network. If we uninstall the SQL 2005 express version we can see the Instance in MSDE 2000.
Is there any compatibility issue with install MSDE 2000 after SQL 2005 has been installed.
Many Thanks in advance
David
Hi,
I got on my developer computer one instance of msde 2000. I want to test sql server express 2005, can I install it without "scrap" my other instance of 2000?
Strange question maybee, but it's what I wanna do!
Thanks all!
I am having issues trying to do an in place upgrade of msde 2000 to sql express 2005. When I try to upgrade it bombs when it reaches "Running action to shutdown instance(Run As Normal User)" with the following error:
Service 'computername' could not be stopped. Verify that you have sufficient privileges to stop system services. The error code is (16386).
I've tried an upgrade on a clean test machine, and it goes through without any problems. I am logged into an account with local admin permissions. If any one has any ideas, they would be appreciated.
Hello guys! I have to develop a new web based project. It's a web
portal for events. At the moment it's runnung on an Access database.
The new version should be running on a SQL server - the desicion is:
MSDE 2000 or SQL Server 2005 Express (Beta). What do you recommend? The
webpages are developed under .NET 1.1.
Hi,
I would like to know is it possible to installing sql 2005 express edition on windows xp with limited account. I tried to install it. After installing, the service can not start. Is there any thing that I misconfigured?
Thanks for reading and answering my post.
Hi, I'm wondering if I can use SQL 2005 Reporting Services with SQL Server 2000, SQL Express or MSDE, or I need to install SQL Server 2005 in order to use Reporting Services 2005? Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Miguel
I'm trying to attach a MSDE 2000 database to SQL Server 2005 Express.
I simply issue sp_detach_db XXX where XXX is the name of my MSDE database. Then sp_attach_db or create database ... with attach and both way gets the following message:
Event ID. : 3415
Description: Database 'XXX' cannot be upgraded because it is
read-only or has read-only files. Make the database or files writeable, and
rerun recovery.
What does it mean?
Thanks for any help,
Peter
I am trying to restore a database backed up using SQL Server 2005 Express Edition to a server using MSDE. I get an error 3205 "Too many backup devices specified...64 max..."
I'm only specifying one file for the restore.
Ideas?
I'm trying to upgrade the Default Instance of MSDE 2000 Release A which is installed with Mixed Mode and strong password to SQL Server 2005 Express in a Windows 2000 Server with SP4. On the Upgrade Logon Information screen, if I select SQL Server Authentication Mode, it will give me this message:
SQL Server Setup Cannot Upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server Credential. You must use Windows Authentication credential for the upgrade.
Thanks for any help.
Apparently you cannot go backwards. Once 2005 Express is installed, even removing it does not allow you to setup MSDE 2000 again. So there is no "trying it out" option.
Unfortunately, our software does not use 2005 Express. I tried it out, and now have a useless testing workstation that can't have MSDE 2000 installed again.
Any ideas on how to break the chain here are welcome.
Hi, just wondering if anyone noticed the MSSQL Express 2005 is so inconsistent with its performance. I was testing out a query with 2 joins, with the main table having about 13,600,000 records. With the same criteria value, sometimes it finished executing in 3 secs. sometimes almost a 1 min.
Could it be just the volume of the data? This is really driving me crazy!
Any advise will be greatly appreciated.
Rick..
i am working on upgrading the clients and server computers from 2000 MSDE to 2005 SQL Express Adv. Plan to upgrade using the template.ini.
i can find the version of sql server running on th server by @@version but how do i find the version of client connctivity components the computer has installed in order to ugrade?
1. somehow i need to know whether to upgrade a client computer CONNECTIVITY COMPONENTS from 2000 to 2005?
2. is there a way to enable tcp/ip in installation script of SQL Express?
THANKS
Wondering if anyone has any experience with SQL Server Express Edition (SSEXP). We're looking at a mobile sales force type model, so a local database on a laptop with no real time network connection. So the users would collect data locally, then connect up to the network every few days to replicate the data to a central server.
So questions.. Has anyone tried anything similar? How stable/mature is SSEXP? Any other thoughts, alternatives or gotchas anyone can think of?
Thanks for the input.
Hi,
I have upsized my access database to Mssql 2005 and I notice that SQL 2005 is much slower in data access than the access databse.
Is there something that needs to be done after the upsize? Have I missed something?
If you want to compare the dataabses here are the links:
Access: http://ozeldersverenler.net/beta/www
SQL2005: http://ozeldersverenler.net/alpha/www