Major Query Optimiser Weirdness With UDFs And SPs On SQL 2000
Jul 20, 2005
There is something very strange going on here. Tested with ADO 2.7 and
MSDE/2000. At first, things look quite sensible.
You have a simple SQL query, let's say
select * from mytab where col1 = 1234
Now, let's write a simple VB program to do this query back to an
MSDE/2000 database on our local machine. Effectively, we'll
rs.open sSQL
rs.close
and do that 1,000 times. We wont bother fetching the result set, it
isn't important in this example.
No problem. On my machine this takes around 1.6 seconds and modifying
the code so that the column value in the where clause changes each
time (i.e col1 = nnnn), doesn't make a substantial difference to this
time. Well, that all seems reasonable, so moving right along...
Now we do it with a stored procedure
create procedure proctest(@id int)
as
select * from mytab where col1 = @id
and we now find that executing
proctest nnnn
1,000 times takes around 1.6 seconds whether or not the argument
changes. So far so good. No obvious saving, but then we wouldn't
expect any. The query is very simple, after all.
Well, get to the point!
Now create a table-returning UDF
create function functest(@id int) returns table as
return
(
select * from mytab where col1 = @id
)
try calling that 1,000 times as
select * from functest(nnnn)
and we get around 5.5 seconds on my machine if the argument changes,
otherwise 1.6 seconds if it remains the same for each call.
Hmm, looks like the query plan is discarded if the argument changes.
Well, that's fair enough I guess. UDFs might well be more expensive...
gotta be careful about using them. It's odd that discarding the query
plan seems to be SO expensive, but hey, waddya expect?. (perhaps the
UDF is completely rebuilt, who knows)
last test, then. Create an SP that calls the UDF
create procedure proctest1(@id int)
as
select * from functest(@id)
Ok, here's the $64,000 question. How long will this take if @id
changes each time. The raw UDF took 5.5 seconds, remember, so this
should be slightly slower.
But... IT IS NOT.. It takes 1.6 seconds whether or not @id changes.
Somehow, the UDF becomes FOUR TIMES more efficient when wrapped in an
SP.
My theory, which I stress is not entirely scientific, goes something
like this:-
I deduce that SQL Server decides to reuse the query plan in this
circumstance but does NOT when the UDF is called directly. This is
counter-intuitive but it may be because SQL Server's query parser is
tuned for conventional SQL i.e it can say
well, I've got
select * from mytab WHERE [something or other]
and now I've got
select * from mytab WHERE [something else]
so I can probably re-use the query plan from last time. (I don't know
if it is this clever, but it does seem to know when two
textually-different queries have some degree of commonality)
Whereas with
select * from UDF(arg1)
and
select * from UDF(arg2)
it goes... hmm, mebbe not.... I better not risk it.
But with
sp_something arg1
and
sp_something arg2
it goes... yup, i'll just go call it... and because the SP was already
compiled, the internal call to the UDF already has a query plan.
Anyway, that's the theory. For more complex UDFs, by the way, the
performance increase can be a lot more substantial. On a big complex
UDF with a bunch of joins, I measured a tenfold increase in
performance just by wrapping it in an SP, as above.
Obviously, wrapping a UDF in an SP isn't generally a good thing; the
idea of UDFs is to allow the column list and where clause to filter
the rowset of the UDF, but if you are repeatedly calling the UDF with
the same where clause and column list, this will make it a *lot*
faster.
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Code Snippet
-- Bug report
-- 2007/07/19
-- Alasdair Cunningham-Smith
-- alasdair at acs-solutions dot co dot uk
set nocount on
go
-- example date in in British date format
set dateformat dmy
go
use tempdb
go
create table foo( bar varchar( 30 ) not null )
go
insert into foo( bar ) values ( 'fishy' )
insert into foo( bar ) values ( '19/07/2007' )
go
-- this works fine in all versions - only valid dates are passed to the convert function
select
convert( smalldatetime, bar, 103 ) as bardate
from
foo
where
bar like '__/__/____'
go
-- this works on SQL 2000, but fails on SQL 2005 SP2 (I've not tried other SPs of SQL 2005):
-- Msg 295, Level 16, State 3, Line 2
-- Conversion failed when converting character string to smalldatetime data type.
--
-- I believe the query is rewritten as if the derived table query contained
-- "and convert( smalldatetime, bar, 103 ) < getdate()"
-- which would expose the convert to the invalid data
select
*
from
(
select
convert( smalldatetime, bar, 103 ) as bardate
from
foo
where
bar like '__/__/____'
) as derived
where
bardate < getdate()
go
-- Workaround:
-- Use a case statement to protect the convert operator from the invalid data
select
*
from
(
select
case when bar like '__/__/____' then
convert( smalldatetime, bar, 103 )
else
null
end as bardate
from
foo
where
bar like '__/__/____'
) as derived
where
bardate < getdate()
go
drop table foo
go
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-- Author: Igor Nikiforov, Montreal, EMail: udfs@sympatico.ca
-- GETWORDCOUNT() User-Defined Function Counts the words in a string.
-- GETWORDCOUNT(@cString[, @cDelimiters])
-- Parameters
-- @cString nvarchar(4000) - Specifies the string whose words will be counted.
-- @cDelimiters nvarchar(256) - Optional. Specifies one or more optional characters used to separate words in @cString.
-- The default delimiters are space, tab, carriage return, and line feed. Note that GETWORDCOUNT( ) uses each of the characters in @cDelimiters as individual delimiters, not the entire string as a single delimiter.
-- Return Value smallint
-- Remarks GETWORDCOUNT() by default assumes that words are delimited by spaces or tabs. If you specify another character as delimiter, this function ignores spaces and tabs and uses only the specified character.
-- If you use 'AAA aaa, BBB bbb, CCC ccc.' as the target string for dbo.GETWORDCOUNT(), you can get all the following results.
-- declare @cString nvarchar(4000)
-- set @cString = 'AAA aaa, BBB bbb, CCC ccc.'
-- select dbo.GETWORDCOUNT(@cString, default) -- 6 - character groups, delimited by ' '
-- select dbo.GETWORDCOUNT(@cString, ',') -- 3 - character groups, delimited by ','
-- select dbo.GETWORDCOUNT(@cString, '.') -- 1 - character group, delimited by '.'
-- See Also GETWORDNUM() User-Defined Function
-- UDF the name and functionality of which correspond to the same built-in function of Visual FoxPro
CREATE function GETWORDCOUNT (@cSrting nvarchar(4000), @cDelimiters nvarchar(256) )
returns smallint
as
begin
-- if no break string is specified, the function uses spaces, tabs and line feed to delimit words.
set @cDelimiters = isnull(@cDelimiters, space(1)+char(9)+char(10))
declare @p smallint, @end_of_string smallint, @wordcount smallint
select @p = 1, @wordcount = 0
select @end_of_string = 1 + datalength(@cSrting)/(case SQL_VARIANT_PROPERTY(@cSrting,'BaseType') when 'nvarchar' then 2 else 1 end) -- for unicode
while dbo.CHARINDEX_BIN(substring(@cSrting, @p, 1), @cDelimiters, 1) > 0 and @end_of_string > @p -- skip opening break characters, if any
set @p = @p + 1
if @p < @end_of_string
begin
set @wordcount = 1 -- count the one we are in now count transitions from 'not in word' to 'in word'
-- if the current character is a break char, but the next one is not, we have entered a new word
while @p < @end_of_string
begin
if @p +1 < @end_of_string and dbo.CHARINDEX_BIN(substring(@cSrting, @p, 1), @cDelimiters, 1) > 0 and dbo.CHARINDEX_BIN(substring(@cSrting, @p+1, 1), @cDelimiters, 1) = 0
select @wordcount = @wordcount + 1, @p = @p + 1 -- Skip over the first character in the word. We know it cannot be a break character.
set @p = @p + 1
end
end
return @wordcount
end
GO
-- Author: Igor Nikiforov, Montreal, EMail: udfs@sympatico.ca
-- GETWORDNUM() User-Defined Function
-- Returns a specified word from a string.
-- GETWORDNUM(@cString, @nIndex[, @cDelimiters])
-- Parameters @cString nvarchar(4000) - Specifies the string to be evaluated
-- @nIndex smallint - Specifies the index position of the word to be returned. For example, if @nIndex is 3, GETWORDNUM( ) returns the third word (if @cString contains three or more words).
-- @cDelimiters nvarchar(256) - Optional. Specifies one or more optional characters used to separate words in @cString.
-- The default delimiters are space, tab, carriage return, and line feed. Note that GetWordNum( ) uses each of the characters in @cDelimiters as individual delimiters, not the entire string as a single delimiter.
-- Return Value nvarchar(4000)
-- Remarks Returns the word at the position specified by @nIndex in the target string, @cString. If @cString contains fewer than @nIndex words, GETWORDNUM( ) returns an empty string.
-- See Also
-- GETWORDCOUNT() User-Defined Function
-- UDF the name and functionality of which correspond to the same built-in function of Visual FoxPro
CREATE function GETWORDNUM (@cSrting nvarchar(4000), @nIndex smallint, @cDelimiters nvarchar(256) )
returns nvarchar(4000)
as
begin
-- if no break string is specified, the function uses spaces, tabs and line feed to delimit words.
set @cDelimiters = isnull(@cDelimiters, space(1)+char(9)+char(10))
declare @i smallint, @j smallint, @p smallint, @q smallint, @qmin smallint, @end_of_string smallint, @LenDelimiters smallint, @outstr nvarchar(4000)
select @i = 1, @p = 1, @q = 0, @outstr = ''
select @end_of_string = 1 + datalength(@cSrting)/(case SQL_VARIANT_PROPERTY(@cSrting,'BaseType') when 'nvarchar' then 2 else 1 end) -- for unicode
select @LenDelimiters = datalength(@cDelimiters)/(case SQL_VARIANT_PROPERTY(@cDelimiters,'BaseType') when 'nvarchar' then 2 else 1 end) -- for unicode
while @i <= @nIndex
begin
while dbo.CHARINDEX_BIN(substring(@cSrting, @p, 1), @cDelimiters, 1) > 0 and @end_of_string > @p -- skip opening break characters, if any
set @p = @p + 1
if @p >= @end_of_string
break
select @j = 1, @qmin = @end_of_string -- find next break character it marks the end of this word
while @j <= @LenDelimiters
begin
set @q = dbo.CHARINDEX_BIN(substring(@cDelimiters, @j, 1), @cSrting, @p)
set @j = @j + 1
if @q > 0 and @qmin > @q
set @qmin = @q
end
if @i = @nIndex -- this is the actual word we are looking for
begin
set @outstr = substring(@cSrting, @p, @qmin-@p)
break
end
set @p = @qmin + 1
if (@p >= @end_of_string)
break
set @i = @i + 1
end
return @outstr
end
GO
-- Is similar to the built-in function Transact-SQL charindex, but regardless of collation settings,
-- executes case-sensitive search
-- Author: Igor Nikiforov, Montreal, EMail: udfs@sympatico.ca
CREATE function CHARINDEX_BIN(@expression1 nvarchar(4000), @expression2 nvarchar(4000), @start_location smallint = 1)
returns nvarchar(4000)
as
begin
return charindex( cast(@expression1 as nvarchar(4000)) COLLATE Latin1_General_BIN, cast(@expression2 as nvarchar(4000)) COLLATE Latin1_General_BIN, @start_location )
end
GO
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More details:
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It might look like this (for example):
----
CREATE FUNCTION [dbo].[getSomething] (
@theNumber int
)
RETURNS int AS
BEGIN
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END
----
I can call this function inside of the DB by typing:
----
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----
I also can call the function from another DB on instance "VAXPServerA" by typing:
----
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----
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But when I want to call the function...
----
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----
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Hello Folks,I encountered a problem with SQL server 2000 and UDFs.I have a scalar UDF and a table UDF where I would like the scalar UDFto provide the argument for the table UDF like in:SELECT*FROMtransaction_tWHEREtrxn_gu_id in (select get_trxns_for_quarter(get_current_quarter( GetDate() ) ))'get_current_quarter' returns an integer which is a GUID in a tablecontaining business quarter definitions, like start date, end date.'get_current_quarter' is a scalar UDF.'get_trxns_for_quarter' will then get all transctions that fall intothat quarter and return their GUID's in a table.'get_trxns_for_quarter' is a table UDF.This doesn't seem to work at all. Regardless whether I provide thenamespace (schema) calling the scalar UDF or not. Error message isjust different.Both functions operate correctly invoked un-nested.The whole expression does work fine if I turn 'get_trxns_for_quarter'into a scalar UDF as well, e.g. by returning just one trxn_gu_id withe.g. MAX() in a scalar datatype. But of course that's no good to me.It also works fine if I select the result of 'get_current_quarter'into a variable and pass that variable into 'get_trxns_for_quarter'.But that's no good to me either since then I cannot use the wholething embedded into other SELECT clauses.Both UDF's are non-deterministic but I couldnt see how that would havean impact anyway.Never mind the syntax on that example or anyhting, I tried all theobvious and not so obvious stuff and it really seems to come down tothe fact that one UDF is scalar and the other one is not. However, Idid not come across any type of information saying that this cannot bedone.Have you any ideas?Any help would be greatly appreciated.Carsten
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Sep 7, 2007
I am in the process of building my first "large scale" database system (after 15+ years of developing Windows Apps and Web Apps) - so I am very VERY "Green" when it comes to Database development & SQL et al.
A little context setting: I am building a multi-tier Statistical Analysis & Reporting system where the "end product" will be Reports created in Reporting Services. There are a ton of business rules that I am implementing in a Business Logic Tier (hidden from the "end user" by a Data Access Tier) comprised of SQL in the form of UDFs (scalar) and Views.
The question: I have been reading that UDFs cause a performance hit compared to things like in-line functions. Alot of the Rules (implemented as Scalar UDFs) build on each other so that the output of UDF #1 is used as input to UDF #2.
So far I am implementing the Business Logic as a hierarchy of Views (7 Views to be exact) with each view implementing multiple Rules; each Rule basically a Scalar UDF. Below is an example of what I am doing:
Example
View #1 -> Select A, B, C, funcX1(A) as ValueX1, funcY1(B, C) as ValueY1 FROM someView
Then
View #2 -> Select A, B, C, ValueX1, ValueY1, funcX2 (ValueX1) as ValueX2, funcY2(ValueY2) as ValueY2 FROM View#1
Currently I have a hierarchy of 7 views that each use UDFs to implement the Business Rules, where the value calculated from a UDF in one View is used as input to UDF in a View further down the Hierarchy.
Is there a better way of implementing all of the Rules instead of using multiple Views with a bunch of UDFs?
The "end product" dataset is then exposed as a Stored Procedure to the reports in Reporting Services.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks!
- marty
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Feb 18, 2007
Guys I'm sorry to be asking such a routine question...
I'm having trouble figuring out how to make this function dynamic enough to handle multiple insert statements.1 public int Add()
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3 {
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5 string SQL;
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7 SQL = "INSERT INTO [BuildingInterior] (PropertyID, CeilingHeight, " +
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9 "LoadingDocks, PassengerElevators, FreightElevators, PassengerEscalators, " +
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11 "FireSprinklersID, SecurityCameras, SmokeDetection, FireAlarms, " +
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13 "GasDetection, SecureAccess, HeatTypeID, AirConditioningID, " +
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15 "AirExchange, InternetAccessID, InteriorDescription) " +
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17 "VALUES ( @PropertyID, @CeilingHeight, " +
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19 "@LoadingDocks, @PassengerElevators, @FreightElevators, @PassengerEscalators, " +
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21 "@FireSprinklersID, @SecurityCameras, @SmokeDetection, @FireAlarms, " +
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23 "@GasDetection, @SecureAccess, @HeatTypeID, @AirConditioningID, " +
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25 "@AirExchange, @InternetAccessID, @InteriorDescription)";
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27 PropertyDB myConnection = new PropertyDB();
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29 SqlConnection conn = myConnection.GetOpenConnection();
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31 SqlCommand cmd = new SqlCommand(SQL, conn);
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33 cmd.Parameters.Add("@PropertyID", SqlDbType.Int).Value = PropertyID;
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35 cmd.Parameters.Add("@CeilingHeight", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = CeilingHeight;
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37 cmd.Parameters.Add("@LoadingDocks", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = LoadingDocks;
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39 cmd.Parameters.Add("@PassengerElevators", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = PassengerElevators;
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41 cmd.Parameters.Add("@FreightElevators", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = FreightElevators;
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43 cmd.Parameters.Add("@PassengerEscalators", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = PassengerEscalators;
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45 cmd.Parameters.Add("@FireSprinklersID", SqlDbType.Int).Value = FireSprinklersID;
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47 cmd.Parameters.Add("@SecurityCameras", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = SecurityCameras;
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49 cmd.Parameters.Add("@SecurityAlarms", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = SecurityAlarms;
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51 cmd.Parameters.Add("@SmokeDetection", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = SmokeDetection;
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53 cmd.Parameters.Add("@FireAlarms", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = FireAlarms;
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55 cmd.Parameters.Add("@GasDetection", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = GasDetection;
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57 cmd.Parameters.Add("@SecureAccess", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = SecureAccess;
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59 cmd.Parameters.Add("@HeatTypeID", SqlDbType.Int).Value = HeatTypeID;
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61 cmd.Parameters.Add("@AirConditioningID", SqlDbType.Int).Value = AirConditioningID;
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63 cmd.Parameters.Add("@AirExchange", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = AirExchange;
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65 cmd.Parameters.Add("@InternetAccessID", SqlDbType.Int).Value = InternetAccessID;
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67 cmd.Parameters.Add("@InteriorDescription", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = InteriorDescription;
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69 cmd.ExecuteNonQuery();
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71 cmd.CommandText = "SELECT @@IDENTITY";
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73 this.BuildingInteriorID = Int32.Parse(cmd.ExecuteScalar().ToString());
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75 conn.Close();
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77 return this.BuildingInteriorID;
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79 }
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Should I just pass an array of column names and use the AddWithValues SqlCommand method while looping through the array?
Any comments are greatly welcomed.
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hi
stored procedure and trigger which runs on serverside and which runs on client side.
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Mar 27, 2007
I have created a database with three tables. The database has been up for a month now and contains about 20,000 records. In order to improve performance and resolve some issues I an attempting to change some of the table information. i.e. allow nulls in a few fields. When I use TSQL or the GUI to make these changes I get the following error: Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or server not responding.
Source: .Net SQLClient Data Provider
I have SQL Server Express SP2 installed with .Net framework v3.0
Note: This issue appears when I attempt to delete a row from a table as well.
Any thoughts?
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Oct 7, 2015
We have migrated a database (myDb2014) to a SQL Server 2014 instance. We have another on a 2008R2 instance (myDb2008). Both on the same server.
I have setup a linked server to the 2014 instance from the 2008R2 one.
I have a number of sprocs on myDb2008 that call TVFs and sprocs on myDb2014. This worked fine when they were both on the same instance.
Now however, I have an issue where I would have to update all the references in each calling query.
I looked into creating Synonyms but this only works for Tables/Views.
Is there a workaround to querying myDb2014 TVFs/sprocs without having to update each calling query in myDb2008?
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