Managing Hierarchies In Dimension Tables
Apr 20, 2006
I am currently looking at the capabilities in SSIS from the point of view of an ETL developer who has worked with other products eg. Informatica, Cognos DecisionStream and one of things I note is a lack of support for dimensional hierarchies.
It appears that MS have assumed that SSIS users will automatically use SSAS.
We use Hyperion Essbase. Other sites have Cognos or Business Objects for their OLAP/BI.
I would like to be able build multi-level dimension hierarchies directly from within SSIS.
Has MS considered this for future versions?
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Feb 6, 2005
As promised, question #2... ;)
As I mentioned in my previous post, my "real" case is a cube with 79 dimensions, most of which virtual, have been added for convenience.
Think for instance about a time dimension... Wouldn't it be nice to get a matrix with years horizontally, months vertically and displaying say the number of order you had for each cell in the resulting grid.
Ok, maybe you can do this with MDX but not in Excel, unless you create virtual dimensions for the Year and Month levels.
That's all good, but as it is, in my real case, I end up with four date dimensions for which I have to provide:
YQMD (Year, Quarter, Month & Day) hirarchized dimension
YWD (Year, Week, Day)
YQMD (Fiscal calendar)
Year
Quarter
Month
Week
Day (as 1, .. 31)
Week Day (for periodicity analysis over a week's time)
Date (as individual day - this is the backbone for the virtual dimensions)
It turns out this makes 40 dimensions by itself. For the sake of it, I grouped them by 4 hierarchies, although I've seen no specific functionality off of this in the data browser or Excel, so it really seems to be only for "show".
Now in my previous post I explained how I "spread" my session count to calculate a conversion rate. Given the number of dimensions I have (very high segmentation at the order level, very limited segmentation at the session/visit level), this means my calculated cell formula looks like this (hold your breath, it's ugly):
SubCube: {[Measures].[Session Count]}, DESCENDANTS([Business Unit].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Channel Source].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Currency].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FO Product Segment].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FO Quarter].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FO Value Segment].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Is Cancelled].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Is Customer Care].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Is Design Services].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Is Direct].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Is Estimated].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Is Holiday Order].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Is New].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Is Sales Services].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Language].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Payment].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Product Segment].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Value Segment].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FO Channel].[All]), DESCENDANTS([Reg Channel].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[Date].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[Day].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[Mth].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[Qtr].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[Wk].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[WkDay].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[Year].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[Fiscal].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[YMQD].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FCD].[YWD].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[Date].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[Day].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[Mth].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[Qtr].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[Wk].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[WkDay].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[Year].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[Fiscal].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[YQMD].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FRD].[YWD].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[Date].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[Day].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[Mth].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[Qtr].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[Wk].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[WkDay].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[Year].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[Fiscal].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[YQMD].[All]), DESCENDANTS([FSD].[YWD].[All])
Caculation Value: CalculationPassValue(([Business Unit].[All],[Channel Source].[All],[Currency].[All],[FO Product Segment].[All],[FO Quarter].[All],[FO Value Segment].[All],[Is Cancelled].[All],[Is Customer Care].[All],[Is Design Services].[All],[Is Direct].[All],[Is Estimated].[All],[Is Holiday Order].[All],[Is New].[All],[Is Sales Services].[All],[Language].[All],[Payment].[All],[Product Segment].[All],[Value Segment].[All],[FO Channel].[All],[Reg Channel].[All],[FCD].[Date].[All],[FCD].[Day].[All],[FCD].[Mth].[All],[FCD].[Qtr].[All],[FCD].[Wk].[All],[FCD].[WkDay].[All],[FCD].[Year].[All],[FCD].[Fiscal].[All],[FCD].[YMQD].[All],[FCD].[YWD].[All],[FRD].[Date].[All],[FRD].[Day].[All],[FRD].[Mth].[All],[FRD].[Qtr].[All],[FRD].[Wk].[All],[FRD].[WkDay].[All],[FRD].[Year].[All],[FRD].[Fiscal].[All],[FRD].[YQMD].[All],[FRD].[YWD].[All],[FSD].[Date].[All],[FSD].[Day].[All],[FSD].[Mth].[All],[FSD].[Qtr].[All],[FSD].[Wk].[All],[FSD].[WkDay].[All],[FSD].[Year].[All],[FSD].[Fiscal].[All],[FSD].[YQMD].[All],[FSD].[YWD].[All],[Measures].[Session Count]), 0)
If you read all this, you can see already the cryptic dimension names like "FRD", "FSD" and so forth... that's because with the real names ("First Refund Date", "First Ship Date", the query processor errored out... visibly there is a limit in the size of the formulas you can post!
Is there no other way to achieve this result? Basically I mean to say: if the session count is not defined at your level along this dimension, go to the root of the dimension to get the value there, this along a slew of dimensions, many of which are inherently dependent because of the usage of virtual dimensions (therefore if I wish to go to the root of my "First Refund Date" for instance, I wish to do so along all sub-dimensions... Heck, as far as I'm concerned this is conceptually only ONE dimension, just with various views upon it...
Using hierachies I was sort of hoping for the ability to have something like:
[FRD].[All Hierachies].[All]
Am I just asking for too much or do I just not know (quite probable) the magic keyword that can do this?
Where this is becoming quite critical is that I actually have a calculated cell that goes as follows (abridged):
SubCube: similar as before
Calculation: [Measures].[Order Count]*CalculationPassValue((...set of all un-tied dimension roots..., [Measures].[Distributed Marketing Cost])/CalculationPassValue((...set of all un-tied dimension roots..., [Measures].[Order Count])
Now the purpose of this is to distribute external costs at the order level. In short, say that you know you spent $10,000 globally promoting a specific group of websites in commission money (you pay $1 for each order). This formula allows me to get that a specific website, with 20 orders incurred an additional marketing cost of $20. That's actually the object of my next thread's question (spreading a multiplication through the aggregations)
For the purpose of this thread I am just concerned about the size of my formulas. Renaming the dimensions seemed to "buy" me some margin and I was actually quite surprised to find that the formula still fitted in, and works, but it is only a matter of time until I have to add more dimensions and the whole thing blows up in my face. Adittionally this is obviously not pleasant to look at and maintain.
Any better solution?
Thanks,
Seb
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Hi,
I am currently trying to develop an application which would help in retrieving data from cubes (Microsoft Analysis Services)! The user would not be accessing the Business Intelligence Studio, etc. but would be viewing the data from a custom made application developed in VB.Net2005.
While implementing this, I want to populate the drop-down-list in the VB(.Net) Form, by retrieving the various hierarchies in the dimensions of the cubes (along with dimensions if possible). This should be done dynamically and in real-time!
Can you please help in implementing this? Any code/method, etc would be highly appreciated!
Thanks in advance.
Best wishes!
(Software : SQL Server 2005 Enterprise Edition (with Analysis Services and BI Studio), VS.Net 2005 Enterprise Edition, ADOMD.Net)
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Hi,
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Hi ,
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I would be really grateful.
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Apologies if this has been raised in the past, but 6 hours of web searching today hasn't turned up anything!
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As in any database, columns come and (very rarely, go), and having a programmatic solution to this would mean that I could be flexible and cope with these situations.
So, my question is: Has anyone implemented SCD functionality in code, or have any code examples that do this, that I might learn from. Or, any tips/pointers if I'm barking up totally the wrong tree.
Thanks in advance,
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thx,
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2 | 3
2 | 4
3 | 6
3 | 7
4 | 8
5 | 9
8 | 10
8 | 11
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I used a sample from MSDN (http://www.sqljunkies.com/Article/D7CAED46-CCAC-4FF7-B528-B2E9A274B71C.scuk) that does just this, except that when querying a value that returns more than 1000 records - I am experiencing way too long response times. The MSDN sample uses temp tables and inserts values into a temp table as it moves through the records and finds a match.
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so far i've considered...
1) keeping it as it is
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(better explanation than mine... http://www.dbpd.com/vault/9811/kamfn.shtml )
3) an intermediate table storing its 'position' in the hierarchy? not really played with this yet but mr kimball seems to like it
see... http://www.dbmsmag.com/9809d05.html
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[Code] ....
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{[Customer].[Customer Geography].[Country].&[United States]}*
{[Customer].[Customer Geography].[State-Province].members}}
on 0
FROM [Adventure Works]
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{[Customer].[Country].[United States ]}*
{[Customer].[Customer Geography].[State-Province].members}}
on 0
FROM [Adventure Works]
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Both Time Dimensions are Year -> Month -> Day and have the same Members.
I have every option available, using calculated Members and/or Measures to do this.
The report I'm creating is Aging of Receivables : Balance / 30 days / 60 days / etc.. But for the Aging, I need to filter like explained above.
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