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Dec 8, 2007



Hi,

I am using Sql Server 2005 as the database management and Access 2003 as the front-end. In the database, I intend to give different views of tables to different users. That's why I used suser_sname system function, which returns the windows login id and authenticates users to see different records in the same view. What I want to do in Access is, allowing some specific users to be able to do update, insert and delete operations through a form based on this view (which only depends on 1 table). However, Access tells me that "the recordset is not updateable". In order to be able to change records, I tried to create new index for the view in Sql Server, which failed giving "Sql Server, Error number:1949" and telling me that it fails since suser_sname yields non-deterministic results. The strange thing is that when I open VB Editor in Access and write a simple update code within this form, it updates both the view and the table in the database. My question is: How can I do update, delete and insert operations on the form directly? Is there a way to do the authentication without using a nondeterministic function in Sql Server or using the front-end Access 2003? Maybe a function similar to the current_user function in Access can do that, I don't know.



It's been a long question but I desperately need the answer. Any thanks will be appreciated.

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Hi,
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Code Snippet
Imports System
Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.SqlClient
Imports System.Data.SqlTypes
Imports Microsoft.SqlServer.Server
Imports System.IO

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_
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Dim strFile As String
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Dim maxDate As Date
Dim fil As String
Dim qry As New SqlCommand()
Try
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Path.GetFileName(strFile)
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Dim fi As New FileInfo(strFile)
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Else
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maxDate = fi.CreationTime
End If
End If

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Code Snippet
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Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.SqlClient
Imports System.Data.SqlTypes
Imports Microsoft.SqlServer.Server
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<Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction()> _
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Dim fil As String
Dim qry As New SqlCommand()
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Path.GetFileName(strFile)
fil = Path.GetFileName(strFile).ToString
Dim fi As New FileInfo(strFile)
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Else
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maxDate = fi.CreationTime
End If
End If

Next
Else
sp.Send("Directory does not exist")
Exit Function
End If
If fil <> Nothing Then
Return fil
End If
Catch ex As Exception
sp.Send(ex.Message.ToString)
End Try

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