Actually i have linked server in SQL 2000 with Provider:Microsoft OLEDB for ODBC which is working perfectly fine. I don't know the password for this linked server too.
Now i want to create same linked server with same provider in SQL server 2005 for Microsoft oledb for ODBC but they don't have this provider in 2005. How can i make it to work.ANy expert who knows this.
and how to use same password in linkedserver in 2005
I have a linked server set up to a FoxPro database. I have used the 'Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC' as the Provider name, the datasource name is 'TestFoxPro' and the Catalog is AssetTracker.
I have set it up and I am able to see the table objects in the Enterprise manager, but I am unable to select from the tables in the Query analyzer. I I have tried
select * from Test2.assettracker.dbo.assets
but i get the following error
Server: Msg 7312, Level 16, State 1, Line 1 Invalid use of schema and/or catalog for OLE DB provider 'MSDASQL'. A four-part name was supplied, but the provider does not expose the necessary interfaces to use a catalog and/or schema.
So i have tried three part name, but then it does not find the object.
Hi,, I am trying to create linked server in sql2000 using odbc which point to foxpro free files. I tryed a lot but the following errro message is displayed:
Server: Msg 7399, Level 16, State 1, Line 1 OLE DB provider 'MSDASQL' reported an error. [OLE/DB provider returned message: [Microsoft][ODBC Visual FoxPro Driver]File 'data1020.dbf' does not exist.]
I created a Linked ODBC Server named HP3000, I can view the tables in enterprise manager, but I cannot SELECT the server in my SQL statement. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
I cant find any odbc provider from my linked server.(SQL 2005) I am using MDAC 2.8 SP1 ON WINDOWS XP SP2 on my machine. What can i do to get odbc provider..?
I'm currently trying to access data from a Cache DB using MSSQL. I havelinked the Cache server through an ODBC connection. I can see in the LinkedServerexpansion all the tables in Cache for the File(?) I want to access.Here is my problem: Normally to access a linked sever I would do thefollowing:select *from ServerName.DatabaseName.dbo.TableNameI have triedselect *from ServerName.DSN.dbo.TableNameselect *from ServerName.DSN.SQLUser.TableName ("SQLUser" is the owner in Cache)None have worked (error no such object...)What is the syntax to select data on a linked sever via an ODBC connection?In the Linked server set up I have also check the RPC and RPC Out options...My ultimate goal is join tables in Cache and MSSQL into MSSQL.Any help would be greatly appreciated!Thanks,-p
I have a linked server using an ODBC System DSN setup. A DB with a view to access on of the table from the Acomba DB.
This view work just fine when I logged in using the Windows Authentification.
If I create a user (bla) with "sysadmin" as server roles the user bla is the owner of the DB (he also created the DB) He can't access that view. But can access any tables from the same DB
The error I keep having is the following :
Executed SQL statement : SELECT * FROM OPENQUERY(ACOMBABD, 'SELECT * FROM Customer') AS derivedtbl_1 Error Source: .NEt sqlClient DataProvider Error Message: Cannot initialize the data srouce object of OLE DB prodiver "MSDASQL" for linked server "ACOMBA"
I have a SQL server that I am trying to link to a number of Oracle environments. After much tuning, we managed to achieve this although the four-part naming was not possible and we had to use Openquery and run pass throughs.
Nothing in our configuration has changed and SQL Server is no longer able connect to the linked databases. The Oracle client on the PC is fine and is able tnsping any of the remote databases. I am also able to create ODBC connections to the remote databases on the SQL box that are fine.
Using a datalink in DTS, I can connect to the remote databases. This suggests to me that there is something wrong within the actual database links. I have set them up using the working ODBC DSN's on the SQL box.
If I try and run a query against them in Query Analyser, I get the following error message :
Server: Msg 7399, Level 16, State 1, Line 1 OLE DB provider 'MSDAORA' reported an error. [OLE/DB provider returned message: ORA-12154: TNS:could not resolve service name ] OLE DB error trace [OLE/DB Provider 'MSDAORA' IDBInitialize::Initialize returned 0x80004005: ].
If I click on the tables icon in EM to view the remote catalogues I get the following error :
Error 7399: OLE DB provider 'MSDORA' reported an error. OLE DB error trace [OLE/DB Provider 'MSDAORA' IDBInitialize::Initialize returned 0x80004005: ].
Any help that could be give on this would be greatly appreciated.
HiWe're trying to use call a stored procedure to update information in aremote Ingres database. We've linked the server, and can readinformation using SELECT * FROM OPENQUERY (..........), but we can'tfind a suitable syntax for executing a procedure.Using SELECT * FROM OPENQUERY and passing the EXEC statement in astring gives a message about not returning any columns - not surprisingas there aren't any, and trying to execute the procedure more directlyusing:-EXECUTE abrs..vipdba.ats_reader_pi0 ........Gives the errorCould not execute procedure 'ats_reader_pi0' on remote server 'abrs'.[OLE/DB provider returned message: Parameter type cannot be determinedfor at least one variant parameter.]Any bright ideas?Chloe
Hello, I have a SQL Server instance on my local computer and an Oracle Database on a remote server. I want to run queries from tables within both databases and am using linked servers to accomplish this.
I configure my linked server in SQL Server using the Microsoft OLE DB Provider for Oracle and can run queries using sql server tables and oracle tables. However, even the simplest queries take more than 10 minutes to run. I have the Oracle 9 Client Installed and MDAC 2.7. I configured my registry settings to match oracle 9's settings. However nothing i do improves the performance of the queries through the Microsoft OLEDB Provider for Oracle. When I use MS Access, or use an ASP page with the following
string: Set objConn = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection") objConn.Open "dsn=Oberon;uid=mfs;pwd=mfs;"
I implement the ODBC driver that I configured in my system DSN and both run the same queries very fast. The data comes back without a problem.
So i believe I have narrowed down my problem to the OLEDB Provider. However, SQL Server does not give me a choice to use the ORACLE native ODBC Provider.
So then I tried using Pass-Through Queries and this worked alot faster in SQL Server...I am completely confused as to whats going on.
Linked Server Query that takes over 10 minutes: SELECT * FROM OBERON..LOGS.DATA_PHOTO ldp where Machine=301 AND C3='I051097';
Pass-Through Query that works faster: select * from Openquery(OBERON, 'SELECT * FROM LOGS.DATA_PHOTO ldp where MACHINE=301 AND C3=''I051097''')
From researching pass through queries, my understanding is that it actually uses ODBC to give the whole query to the remote database where the query is then run and the results are passed back as a table, thats why you say select * from (query)...however if my understanding is correct, then you cant combine tables in different databases very easily. And will it work with .asp and .aspx pages?
I have an Oracle 9i server. To access the data in Oracle, I setup an ODBC connection to it and am able to return data from it using WinSQL (a general ODBC database client). The SQL statement is simply "SELECT * FROM COLOR" and all 133 records returned properly.
I need to copy the data from the Oracle server to SQL Express, therefore I set up linked server (by Microsoft ODBC provider) using the same ODBC connection as described above.
The problem is: only 32 records returned.
May I ask if there is any problem to this linked server setup?
What can be the reason(s) why I can't get data from a linked server using an ODBC datasource that works fast & fine from MS Access?
I have an ODBC connection (System DSN) configured for an Informix ODBC driver. The Test button (belonging to this driver-setup) reports a successfull connection test. Getting data from this database by linking tables in MS Access works fast and easy. But I have tried for many days now to setup a linked server from SQL Server (2005) Creation goes fine, but as soon as I issue a query, (e.g. 'select * from infrem723...remotetable' or using 'openquery') I get the following error: ---
Msg 7399, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
The OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "infrem723" reported an error. The provider did not give any information about the error.
Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "infrem723".
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Why is Access able to read what "MSDASQL" cannot? I am desperate - can anybody help?Thanks a lot!
Hi,I used sp_addlinkedserver to link to a remote server through ODBC.When I execute select count(*) from LinkSrv.SI.DBO.SIHeader in SQL QueryAnalyzer. It returns 13705 records. But when I execute select * fromLinkSrv.SI.DBO.SIHeader. It only return 885 records. If I specify somecolumns, select ODCOMP, ODPONO, ODVDCD from LinkSrv.SI.DBO.SIHeader.It returns more records, 1213 records.I guess there is something limit the return storage, but I can notfind it.Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thank you
pls. let me know where I could post if this is the wrong place.
I have a Firebird 1.5 application. I created a linked server from my SQL Server 2000 to the firebird database. In SQL Server Query Analyzer I get errors from various ODBC drivers with "normal" queryies like
SELECT LVNR FROM LINKEDSRV...LVVERW
Pls. note, this all works perfectly in MS Access databases with ODBC-Links to Firebird!
From a programmer of a commercial ODBC driver I heard that this problem may be caused internally by SQL Server, there may be no solution possible in the ODBC driver. One workaround would be to use the OPENQUERY-Syntax like
SELECT * FROM OPENQUERY(LINKEDSRV, 'select LVNR from LVVERW ')
Are there any other solutions? Are there any known issues with firebird odbc-drivers and sql server? Are there any known good drivers for the use with sql-server? What is the purpose of OPENQUERY - workaround ODBC problems? Are there any settings in SQL Server 2000 (2005 Express) that could help? Are there any settings in ODBC DSN that would help?
regards
arno
PS: Here are my favorite error messages
Error -2147217900 [OLE/DB provider returned message: Dynamic SQL Error SQL error code = -104 Token unknown - line 1, char 89 "Col1014"] (Source: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server) (SQL State: 01000) (NativeError: 7312)Error -2147217900 OLE DB-Fehlertrace [OLE/DB Provider 'MSDASQL' ICommandPrepare:repare returned 0x80004005: ]. (Source: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server) (SQL State: 01000) (NativeError: 7300)Error -2147217900 Der OLE DB-Provider 'MSDASQL' meldete einen Fehler. (Source: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server) (SQL State: 42000) (NativeError: 7399)
This "tricky" query does not work: SELECT LVNR FROM LINKEDSRV...LVVERW;
Error -2147217900 OLE DB-Fehlertrace [Non-interface error: Column 'ERHALTENABSCHLAG' (compile-time ordinal 35) of object 'LVVERW' was reported to have a DBTYPE of 5 at compile time and 131 at run time]. (Source: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server) (SQL State: 01000) (NativeError: 7300)Error -2147217900 Der OLE DB-Provider 'MSDASQL' hat inkonsistente Metadaten für eine Spalte übergeben. Die Metadateninformationen wurden zur Ausführungszeit geändert. (Source: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server) (SQL State: 42000) (NativeError: 7356)
I changed from Access97 to AccessXP and I have immense performanceproblems.Details:- Access XP MDB with Jet 4.0 ( no ADP-Project )- Linked Tables to SQL-Server 2000 over ODBCI used the SQL Profile to watch the T-SQL-Command which Access ( whocreates the commands?) creates and noticed:1) some Jet-SQL commands with JOINS and Where-Statements aretranslated very well, using sp_prepexe and sp_execute, including thesimilar SQL-Statement as in JET.2) other Jet-SQL commands with JOINS and Where-Statements aretranslated very bad, because the Join wasn´t sent as a join, Accesscollects the data of the individual tables seperately.Access sends much to much data over the network, it is a disaster!3) in Access97 the same command was interpreted wellCould it be possible the Access uses a wrong protocol-stack, perhapsJet to OLEDB, OLEDB to ODBC, ODBC to SQL-Server orJet to ODBC, ODBC to OLEDB and OLEDB to SQL-Server instead ofJet to ODBC and ODBC direct to SQL-ServerDoes anyone knows anything about:- Command-Interpreter of JetODBC, Parameters, how to influence thecommand-interpreter- Protocol-Stack of a Jet4.0 / ODBC / SQL-Server applicationThanks , Andreas
Hi I have created a linked server from SQL Server 2005 (SP 1) to SQL Service 2000 (SP 4) with a sql server login that is available on both servers but with different passwords and permissions.
I am getting the following error while accessing the linked server in management studio based on the scenario given below ;
------ Error Message Starts OLE DB provider "SQLNCLI" for linked server "(SQL Server 2000 instance name)" returned message "Communication link failure". Msg 10054, Level 16, State 1, Line 0 TCP Provider: An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host. Msg 18456, Level 14, State 1, Line 0 Login failed for user 'abc'. ------ Error Message Ends
Consider login name is abc. Now this login abc has sysadmin rights on sql server 2005. The same login abc has only db_datareader rights on sql server 2000 on just one database and is not associated with any fixed server role.
I have configured the linked server using the following options; 1. I have tried impersonating login from SQL Server 2005 to SQL Server 2000 . 2. I have also tried specifying remote login / password option.
Anyone having any idea, would be of great help. Regards, Salman Shehbaz.
Can I connect from a SQL Server 2005 database to a SQL Server 2000 database, without establishing a linked server connection.
I need to fire a SELECT query on a SQL Server 2000 database, but don't want to add it as a linked server. Is there any way I can do this or its not possible??
I have a Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise server which I need to set up as a linked server in SQL Server 2005. The Sybase server is version 12.5.2, and the Sybase ODBC driver version is 4.20.00.67. I have already installed the Sybase client software on the server.
I also created a SystemDSN on the SQL Server to connect to the Sybase server. I tested the connection and it was able to connect.
I ran the following code to create the linked server:
I then ran sp_tables_ex to make sure I could view the tables in the Sybase database. Here is the error message I get:
<code>
OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "LinkedServerName" returned message "[DataDirect][ODBC Sybase Wire Protocol driver]Error parsing connect string at offset 13. ".
Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Procedure sp_tables_ex, Line 41
Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "LinkedServerName".
I'm trying to link SQL Server 2000 sp3 to SQL 2005 64 bit. I keep getting Error 17 sql server does not exist or access denined. I tried adding remote user mapping and chaning the linked server properties to "Be made using this security context" without any success. Any help is appreciated.
I receive the following error message when I run a distributed query against a loopback linked server in SQL Server 2005: The Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator (MS DTC) has cancelled the distributed transaction.
To resolve this problem, I was told that running a distributed query against a loopback linked server is not supported in SQL Server 2005. And I am suggested to use a remote server definition (sp_addserver) instead of a linked server definition to resolve this problem. (Although this is only a temporary resolution, which will deprecate in Katmai)
However, I run into another problem when I use the remote server definition. I receive the following error message: Msg 18483, Level 14, State 1, Line 1 Could not connect to server 'ServerNameSQL2005' because '' is not defined as a remote login at the server. Verify that you have specified the correct login name.
Could anyone please help me out? (I include the reproduce steps for the first error message, followed by my resolution that generates the second error message) ====== Reproduce steps for the first error message ======
On the ComputerAInstanceA instance, run the following statement to create a database and a table: CREATE DATABASE DatabaseA GO USE DatabaseA GO CREATE TABLE TestTable(Col1 int, Col2 varchar(50)) GO INSERT INTO TestTable VALUES (1, 'Hello World') GO
On the ComputerBInstanceB instance, run the following statement to create a database and a table: CREATE DATABASE DatabaseB GO USE DatabaseB GO CREATE TABLE TestTable (Col1 int, Col2 varchar(50)) GO
On the ComputerAInstanceA instance, create a linked server that links to the ComputerBInstanceB instance. Assume the name of the linked server is LNK_ServerB.
On the ComputerBInstanceB instance, create a linked server that links to the ComputerAInstanceA instance. Assume the name of the linked server is LNK_ServerA.
On the ComputerBInstanceB instance, run the following statement: USE DatabaseB GO CREATE PROCEDURE InsertA AS BEGIN SELECT * from LNK_ServerA.DatabaseA.dbo.TestTable END GO
On the ComputerAInstanceA instance, run the following statement: USE DatabaseA GO INSERT INTO TestTable EXEC LNK_ServerB.DatabaseB.dbo.InsertA GO Then I receive the first error message.
======= My resolution that generates the second error message =======
On the ComputerBInstanceB instance, run the following statement: sp_addserver 'ComputerAInstanceA' GO sp_serveroption 'ComputerAInstanceA', 'Data Access', 'TRUE' GO USE DatabaseB GO CREATE PROCEDURE InsertA AS BEGIN SELECT * FROM [ComputerAInstanceA].DatabaseA.dbo.TestTable END GO
On the ComputerAInstanceA instance, run the following statement: USE DatabaseA GO INSERT INTO TestTable EXECUTE [ComputerBInstanceB].[DatabaseB].[dbo].[InsertA] GO Then I receive the second error message.
I have an Excel sheet that is dynamically updated (through DDE) and I want to import this data to a table in SQL Server 2005. Using SQL Server Management Studio to configure an Excel data source as a linked server. (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306397/EN-US/)
Following the first 5 steps should let me acces the table (but I cannot view the data in SQL Server 2005). However, I could not find how to export the data into an existing table. Does anyone know how or can give a pointer to document describing how to do this?
I am using Windows 2003 server and Sqlserver 2005 by the use of Linked server , I made a connection to Oracle 10g after that I am importing records from Oracle to sqlserver 2005. When I made tnsnames.ora in sql machine , it worked fine but when i am using tnsnames file from oracle server then i fiired importing procedure it returns below maintain error :
OLE DB provider "MSDAORA" for linked server "BI_ORACLE_LS" returned message "Unspecified error".
OLE DB provider "MSDAORA" for linked server "BI_ORACLE_LS" returned message "Oracle error occurred, but error message could not be retrieved from Oracle.".
Msg 7311, Level 16, State 2, Line 1
Cannot obtain the schema rowset "DBSCHEMA_TABLES" for OLE DB provider "MSDAORA" for linked server "BI_ORACLE_LS". The provider supports the interface, but returns a failure code when it is used.
SQL 2000: 8.00.2187 x86, 8 way 700mhz, 6GB Ram SQL 2005: 9.00.3042 IA64 2 Way Dual-Core 1.66Mhz 16 GB ram
Symptoms
Querys to the SQL 2005 box from SQL 2000 work but when the query is parameterised with non-literals (@variables) then the query run on the SQL 2005 box excludes any where clause causing the entire table to be returned to the SQL 200 box. When the query is parameterised using literal values the query is executed on SQL 2005 including the where clause.
At first I thought that the "Collation Compatible" setting was the culprit but setting this to 1 made no difference. Other SQL 2000 boxes work as expected and any queries from these using literal and non-literal parameters.
Please, any ideas?
Working
SELECT A.Column FROM linkedServer.IA.dbo.Table Where A.Column = 'value'
Not Working (correctly anyway!)
DECALRE @Value tinyint SET @Value = 22 SELECT A.Column FROM linkedServer.IA.dbo.Table Where A.Column = @value
I have a development and a production SQL server instance environment set up on 2 independent machines. Each machine is running Windows 2003 for an OS, while each server instance is version SQL Server 2005. On friday, I experienced difficulties querying one environment from the other through linked servers. I would get the error below: .
Cannot obtain the schema rowset "DBSCHEMA_TABLES_INFO" for OLE DB provider "SQLNCLI" for linked server "dev_server". The provider supports the interface, but returns a failure code when it is used
The linked servers had been previously set up and had been running without any issues. Dropping and recreating the linked servers did not help at all, and all attempts to google the error led to accounts of either SQL Server 2005-SQL Server 2000 procedures compatibility or 64 bit - 32 bit compatibily related errors. Neither of the two were relevant as both my environment have the same technology, both hardware and software.
Mysteriously, the linked server worked this morning without any issue at all. One co-worker suggests gremlins are at work, while another figures that my set up had 'checked out for the long weekend'. Unfortunately, neither explanation is plausible, so my quest to find out what could have gone wrong, and hopefully put preventitive measures in place for the future goes on. Does anybody have any idea what the issue could have been?
I am trying to create a linked server in SQL Server 2005 to show tables in our AS400. I made the connection, however, the tables are not showing up under the Linked Server name.
How do you get the linked tables to display in the Linked Server folder?
When I created a linked Server to the DB2 on iseries ( V4R5) , the SELECT statement fetches me only the first record and the following message appears.
OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "DB2TEST" returned message "[IBM][Client Access Express ODBC Driver (32-bit)]Driver not capable.".
Msg 7330, Level 16, State 2, Line 1
Cannot fetch a row from OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "DB2TEST".
I am using 'MSDASQL' which refers to the DSN setup on my machine using the ODBC "Client Access Driver 32-bit"
Strangely when I used the same DSN in SQL 2000 within the DTS package, I was able to connect and import data and worked like a charm.
Need a big favour. I am working on a Linked Server using SQL server 2005. My present requirement is that I need to have distributed qurey which will fetch data from out of LAN Sql Server databases. I need to know these things at earliest. 1. How to expose SQL server (may be data or instance itself) over internet? 2. How can I add this internet exposed SQL server as a Linked server on my local SQL server? 3. How to prevent my exposed SQL server data from hackers, as I need it only for SQL to SQL interaction?
Any help is appreciated. Are there any good sites/links to refer??
We have been accessing databases on ASE 12.5 (on HPUX) from MS SQL Server 2000 (x32) successfully for years. We do this via linked servers we create on MS SQL Server. When creating the linked server, we would specify the Microsoft OLE Provider for ODBC as the provider, and the data source is the name of a DSN created with the Sybase ASE ODBC driver (4.20.00.67) that points the the HPUX box on which are the Sybase databases.
We have also gotten this to work just fine on MS SQL Server 2005 (x32) Standard Edition SP1. However, we cannot seem to get this to work on MS SQL Server 2005 (x64) Enterprise Edition SP1. The Microsoft OLE DB Provider is not available as an option when creating the linked server on MS SQL Server 2005 (x64). We have tried specifying the SQL Native Client as the provider, but this results in no connection being made and reports the following error:
OLE DB provider "SQLNCLI" for linked server "GCMTESTSQLNATIVE" returned message "Login timeout expired".
OLE DB provider "SQLNCLI" for linked server "GCMTESTSQLNATIVE" returned message "An error has occurred while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to SQL Server 2005, this failure may be caused by the fact that under the default settings SQL Server does not allow remote connections.".
Msg 53, Level 16, State 1, Line 0
Named Pipes Provider: Could not open a connection to SQL Server [53].
Do we need to use a different ASE driver when accessing Sybase databases fom the MS SQL Server (x64) platform? Or is there a way to successfully create a linked server on MS SQL Server 2005 (x64) that can communicate with the 32-bit ASE ODBC driver?
We use Windows 2003 Server (64) on AMD64 and SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition x64 + SP1 Problem: I can not execute any sql on a linked server using the native Provider (SQLCLNI) Example (create a linked server on the same machine, other database (msdb) and try to execute any simple select using OPENQUERY sp_addlinkedserver @server='ls',@srvproduct='SQLNCLI',@provider='SQLNCLI' ,@provstr='Integrated Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=msdb;Data Source=localhost;' Select * from OPENQUERY(ls,'Select * from Sysobjects') Msg 7356, Level 16, State 1, Line 1 The OLE DB provider "SQLNCLI" for linked server "ls" supplied inconsistent metadata for a column. The column "name" (compile-time ordinal 1) of object "Select * from Sysobjects" was reported to have a "Incomplete schema-error logic." of 0 at compile time and 0 at run time.
Have just tried my sql server 2005 connected asp classic website on II7 for the first time and have gotten some errors. First off I have unchecked show friendly errors in IE and have enabled ASP to send error messages to the browser.
My error I get is when I execute a basic .asp page:
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005' [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Cannot open database "mydatabasename" requested by the login. The login failed. /index.asp, line 10 which is dbConnect.Open cstring
from this peice of code:
sub dbOpen() set dbConnect = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection") cstring = "DSN=mysqldsn; Trusted Connection=yes" dbConnect.Open cstring end sub
I have gone into ODBC and have setup both a user dsn and file dsn that equals mysqldsn and points to my database (I know you only need to set up one DSN but I'm not sure which)
I also notice under mywebsite home panel there is a connection string option. Do I do anything with that?