Oltp && Olap

Dec 19, 2007

hello everyone,

Is it make sense to create 2 databases, OLTP for the insert, update and delete and OLAP for selection
and i'll sync between the 2 databases.

Thanks

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Hi al,


I need some steps to create OLAP DB .

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pls provide me steps to have a OLAP database...

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