Opinion Requested: Multi-Table Design
Dec 23, 2004
I have about a 35000 record table. There are about 14 entries in this table that relate to "sections". Each of these sections can have up to 20 values. This lends itself to a design like:
big_table [one-to-one] big_table_has_sections [many-to-many] sections
or, more concretely:
BuildingConstructionType
relates to
ConstructionHasTypes
relates to
Types
Where BuildingConstructionType is one of 14 fields in the 35000 record "big" table, ConstructionHasTypes is the one-to-one intermediary relation that relates many-to-many with Types (the sections).
Unfortunately, with 35000 records, this big_table_has_sections seems like it might bloat. Is this a good solution?
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Mar 21, 2003
Trying to deal with a user complaint of slowness. Many variables looked at which look normal (Buffer cache, queue length,memory). Probably looks like a network issue. My question is what people consider acceptable when it comes to %disk time. My %disk time has increased from an average of 20% to 33% in recent months. My average disk read and average disk write have both been less than one. MY research has showed that more than 55% %disk time for ten minutes is considered a problem. Not there yet but seem to be slowly getting there. THe app running against my server is vendor written so can't change, also running log shipping which is probably inflating the numbers a little.
Any opinions appreciated.
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Feb 27, 2004
We are trying to restrict developer permissions in our development environment. One thought is to add developers to db_datareader, db_datawriter, db_ddladmin, db_securityadmin and then revoke various permissions from ddladmin and securityadmin. The goal is to allow developer to create stored procedures and assign permissions to the stored procedures.
Another option is to place all developers in the same role and ask them to create all procedures using that role name (ex: dev_role.sp_procedurename). By doing this each developer will be able to run stored procedures created by another developer. The down side is the permissions do not match Model Office/User Test and Production.
Any suggestions on how to handle this situation?
Thanks, Dave
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Mar 2, 2000
Hi,
I need your suggestions on a design issue:
I have 2 tables, Customers and Organizations. 1 Customer can be under many organizations. What would be the best way to design the db (2 choices) for performance (around 50000 customers):
1)
-Customer table
-Organization table
-Link Organization & Customer by creating a new tables with the following structure ---> CustomerID, OrgID,
2)
-A Customer tables that has a field called OrgID where the orgID is stored. If the customer has more organization related to him, we add another customer record and we put the new OrgID in the OrgID column. Examples:
Customer Table
--------------
CustomerID--Fname--Lname--Addresss-----OrgID
---------------------------------------------
1 Bob Marley 33 Africa org1
1 Bob Marley 33 Africa org2
1 Bob Marley 33 Africa org3
Please give me your suggestions,
Thank you for your time,
SASAN
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Apr 13, 2007
Hi all,
I am having problem with SQL connection at Godaddy where my pool connection gets MAX OUT. When it happens, I cannot access the database.This is the thread about the problem: http://forums.asp.net/thread/1665023.aspx
I just created this with "THREAD". I hope someone who has experiences with thread can give me some advice about my design. This is my first time.
static object Locked = new object();
public object ExecuteCommand(string queryStr, string type){ //*************************************************************************************// // ExecuteCommand: Returns an object // //*************************************************************************************// Thread t = null; lock(Locked) { SQLString = queryStr; switch(type) { case "ExecuteNonQuery": t = new Thread(ExecuteNonQuery); break; case "ExecuteScalar": t = new Thread(ExecuteScalar); break; case "GetDataReader": t = new Thread(GetDataReader); break; } t.Start(); t.Join(); } return null;}
First of, does this work at all? It runs, but is it a good design in term of Thread? Since I use LOCK, do I still need the t.Join() function? The switch with the three cases, is that OKAY? Basically, I'm clueless. If you read my other post, you will get an idea what I'm trying to do. Any feedback would be very very appreciated.
Thank you.
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May 8, 2007
I need some other opinions on whether or not this is considered a proper database design structure.
Here is the relationship...We have PEOPLE, that each can belong to a COMPANY.
PERSON_TABLE
Person_ID
Company_ID
COMPANY_TABLE
Company_ID
Then each person can trust other people of other companies, but can only trust 1 person per company.
My question is this. In order to maintain a constraint of 1 person per company, is it considered OK to add a the redundant column Company_ID to the PERSON_TRUSTED_TABLE(and then creating a composite primary key on the Person_ID/Company_ID) instead of just adding a trigger to the PERSON_TRUSTED_TABLE to uphold the constraint.
PERSON_TRUSTED_TABLE
Person_ID
Trusted_Company_ID
Trusted_Person_ID
I would appreciate anyone's opinion. Thanks so much!
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Dec 14, 2006
Hi to everyone,My problem is, that I'm not so quite sure, which way should I go.The user is inputing by second part application a long string (let'ssay 128 characters), which are separated by semiclon.Example:A20;BU;AC40;MA50;E;E;IC;GREENNow: each from this position, is already defined in any other table, asa separate record. These are the keys lets say. It means, a have someproperities for A20, BU, aso.Because this long inputed string, is a property of device (whih alsohas a lot of different properities) I could do two different ways ofstoring data:1. By writing, in SP, just encapsulate each of the position separatedby semicolon, and write into a different table with index of device,and the position in long stirng nearly in this way:Major device data tableID AnyData1 AnyData2 ... AnyData3123 MZD12 XX77 .... any comment text124 MZD13 XY55 ... any other commentString data Tablefk_deviceId position value123 1 A20123 2 BU123 3 AC40.....123 8 GREENThe device table, contains also a pointer (position), which mightchange, to "hglight" specified position.Then, I can very easly find all necessary data. The problem is, I needto move the device record data (from other table) very often into otherhistory table (by each update). That will mean, that I also need tomove all these records from 1 -8 for example to a separate historytable, holding the index for a history device dataset. This is a littleinconvinience in this, and in my opinion, it will use to much storagedata, and by programming, I need always to shift this properities intohistory table, whith indexes to a history table of other properities.2. Table will be build nearly in this way:Major device data tableID AnyData1 AnyData2 ... AnyData3 stringProperty pointer123 MZD12 XX77 .... any comment text A20;BU;AC40;MA50;E;E;IC;GREEN 3124 MZD13 XY55 ... any other comment A20;BU;AC40;MA50;E;E;IC;GREEN 2By writng into device table, there will be just a additional field forthis string, and I will have a function, which according to specifiedpointer, will get me the string part on the fly, while I need it.This will not require the other table, and will reduce the amout ofdata, not a lot ... but always.This solution, has a inconvinance, that it will be not so fast doing asearch over the part of this strings, while there will be no real indexon this.If I woould like to search all devices, by which the curent pointervalue is equal GREEN, then I need to use function for getting thevalue, and this one will be not indexed, means, by a lot amount ofdata, might be slow.I would like to know Your opinion about booth solutions.Also, if you might point me the other problems with any of thissolution, I might not have noticed.With Best RegardsMatik
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Dec 10, 2006
Hi! Im working on a webapplication and has serious thoughts about howto optimize my table structure. To explain:
My tablestructure today
(simplified):tbl_customerscust_idname.....tbl_contactscon_idname.....tbl_groupsgrp_idname.....
My subtables look like this(alternative 1):tbl_sub_phonephone_idparent_typeparent_idphone_areaphone_nr.....tbl_sub_emailmail_idparent_typeparent_idemail.....
As seen above every contact, group and customer can be assigned an unlimited amount of phonenumbers or emailadresses.For example when entering a new email or a customer following will be inserted in tbl_sub_email: parent_type = 'cst', parent_id= '2' (the cust_id from tbl_customers), email = 'gwerg@fe.com'The problem is i am uncertain if this is a very unefficient way of handling it? i see two alternatives:
Alternative 2:i create x subtables for each table for example tbl_customers will get its mailadresses and phonenumbers contained in tbl_customers_phone and tbl_customers_emailWhat i am uncertain of here is if this would make things alot more troublesome when searching på example after a specific phonenumber.Alternative 3:
(simplified):tbl_customerscust_idname.....tbl_contactscon_idname.....tbl_groupsgrp_idname.....
tables connection objects to subobjects
tbl_customers_phoneidcust_idphone_idtbl_contacts_phoneidcon_idphone_idtbl_customers_mailidcust_idmail_id
subtables tbl_sub_phonephone_idphone_areaphone_nr.....tbl_sub_emailmail_idemail.....
Ranking these three models, wich would be the most efficient and most inefficient performanswise?What i want to avoid is performanceproblems when listing the objects, my indexing skills are a bit limited although im doing alot of reading and testing regarding this.So thats why im asking for advice so that i can minimize the need of rebuilding the table structure when the application already has been starting to get used.I also have another general question.
I have alot of select querys when i need to fetch data from several different tables.Most of them is that i for example get an application from tbl_applications table, and that tables contains the columns cat1, cat2 and cat3 (wich are categories and contain the primary key integer to the tbl_sub_categorys table)With 3 joins i retrieve these 3 category names returning 1 result with all the info i need.Since ive been getting som strange results from the query analyzer(i got results that using clustered indexing for the primary key resulted in a slower query (higher cost)) i actually have another question.Can it generally be summed up that a single query(join or subquery) generaly ils faster than getting the data in separate selects?In the example above this i have the options either of using joins = 1 query or doing 2 querys and sorting the categorys codewise in aspx pages or doing 4 querys, one for the app followed by 1 for every category.Any input regarding this?
As i said earlier im looking for the most efficient way of doing the things abov, would greatly appriechiate any input!
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I would like to create a table called product. My objective is to get list of packages available for each product in data grid view column while selecting each product. Each product may have different packages type (eg:- Nos, CTN, OTR etc). Some product may have two packages and some for 3 packages etc. Quantity in each packages also may be differ ( for eg:- for some CTN may contain 12 nos or in other case 8 nos etc). Prices for each packages also will be different that also need to show. How to design the table..
Product name :
Nestle milk |
Rainbow milk
packages :
CTN,OTR, NOs |
CTN, NOs
Price:
50,20,5 |
40,6
(Remarks for your reference):CTN=10nos, OTR=4 nos
| CTN=8 Nos
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convert my table(like picture) to hierarchical structure in SQL. actually i want to make a table from my data in SQL for a TreeList control datasource in VB.net application directly.
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I have 2 tables:
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I need to run an update to table2 by setting the Flag to 1 and also creating PID.
I could use a join query to do this, but I am concern about PID (hh:mm:ss), because it may take less then 1 second to update and I will have duplicate PID.
Any idea what is the best way of doing this?
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Nov 14, 2007
Well, its kind of tricky, and i got into this.For example i have a column of zip, all US city state name and abbreviation, preffered name and an alternate name of each city in US, and also non-acceptable name of each preffered name..
Can you give me a hint, how many databse should i used?
for example, i search for a zip code, and the result will be the name of city or an acceptable name of city and there are non-acceptable name too..
well.i just need your opinion..hope you could get into this one.tnx
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Nov 3, 2005
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What is the better practice when joining tables in a query example 1 or 2? I've always joined tables together like example 2, but it seems that many people are advocates of example 1. Are there any differences performance wise between the two?
Example 1:
SELECT *
FROM authors AS a INNER JOIN publishers AS p
ON a.city = p.city
ORDER BY a.au_lname DESC
Example 2:
SELECT *
FROM authors AS a, publishers AS p
WHERE a.city = p.city
ORDER BY a.au_lname DESC
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A friend of mine who owns a computer store just quoted me for a dual quad-core Xeon 5405 2GHz system with Windows Server 2003 10 Cals. I'm concerned about the following:
- What's the use in having 8 cores, each of them running at only
2GHz, when there's really only one service running (SQL Server
2005, likely Express Edition) on the computer. Does SQL Server
have the capability to make use of all cores? Otherwise, why
spend more for Xeon and so many cores instead of a single
C2D running at a faster speed of say 3GHz ?
- What would be the advantage of using a Windows Server over
Windows XP in a peer-to-peer configuration? I don't buy into
the 10 connection limit because the TCPIP.sys file can be
altered to move that limit up, so 14 stations does not trigger
the need for Windows Server in and of itself.
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Hi,
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At the top of the proc is the statement 'DECLARE @BillActualRoom bit'. If I understand correctly this is a local variable.
Later in the code we have the statement
'SELECT @BillActualRoom = 0 FROM BillingOptions WHERE CenterID = @CenterID'
where @CenterID is an input parameter.
The table BillingOptions does have a field called 'BillActualRoom' and it is a bit.
My question is this: Does this SQL statement make any sense at all? (My gut reaction is no but I'd like a second opinion. Can't get any consensus in the office.)
I would think that putting a local variable in like this would mean that @BillActualRoom is always equal to 0.
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Jul 30, 2007
Hi,
I was having a conversation with another developer about the order that the join conditions are placed. More specifically, about the order the tables are referenced in the join condition. There are two ways to do it, for example:-- Here the table that is referenced first was "declared" first.
SELECT*
FROM
Logon
LEFT OUTER JOIN
Thread
ON Logon.LogonID = Thread.LogonID
LEFT OUTER JOIN
Message
ON Thread.ThreadID = Message.ThreadID
-- Here the table that is referenced first is the table being joined directly above it.
SELECT*
FROM
Logon
LEFT OUTER JOIN
Thread
ON Thread.LogonID = Logon.LogonID
LEFT OUTER JOIN
Message
ON Message.ThreadID = Thread.ThreadID
I realize this is not that big of a deal, but I was wondering if anyone had a good/valid reason for doing one versus the other.
Just curious,
-Ryan
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Jul 20, 2005
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Dear friends,
I need your feedback, tips and opinions to improve my dataflow described in my blog.
http://pedrocgd.blogspot.com/2007/07/ssis-dataflow-performance-i.html
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I have think three ways to do it.
1. leave as it is.
2. 7 years partition on one server
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from ca
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join ch on ca.accountno = ch.accountno
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I am wondering how I can create an OLE DB Source component that can store a multi-table DataSet object. Is this something that is possible or do I need some custom object to do this? I'm sure I can create a multi-table destination object and create sources for each data table needed however, I need to get the data for 5 tables and do this about 30K times. I'm thinking this approach will perform better.
Here is what I've been trying to get working. (Note there is only one parameter that all the queries use - @keyName)
SELECT * FROM Table1
WHERE (Key = ?)
SELECT * FROM Table2
WHERE (Key = ?)
SELECT * FROM Table3
WHERE (Key = ?)
SELECT * FROM Table4
WHERE (Key = ?)
SELECT * FROM Table5
WHERE (Key = ?)
TIA
Ian
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