Performance Of A Queue Vs Table
Jul 26, 2006
I know we are not allowed to benchmark SQL Server but..... It would be nice to have material to present which demonstrates the performance gains using a queue compared to insert/delete in a SQL table.
Logically it seems faster to use a queue due to the conversation grouping locking and the service broker itself. But there seems to be some overhead involved just to manage these queues that the service broker has to perform.
I am sure we are not unique with the choice to figure out if we will get a boost in performance using SQL a queue between services rather than a table to queue data. What is available to help understand the performance gains of using a queue?
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Oct 25, 2007
I am running SQL server 2000 SP4 on a server with 2 Dual core 4G processors with data attached via a SAN>
I have a 70G database with 10 users that is giving attrocious performance. I have just tried to run a count(*) accross a couple of tables and am still waiting for the results 15 mins later. When I look at the disk queue it is around 50/60. I thought the target for this was around 2. I am sure that the hardware that we have in place is capable of running this db. However I`m not sure how to fully analyse what is going wrong here.
Any tips would be greatfully received.
Si
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Aug 7, 2007
Hi,
We are doing a POC for transferring a huge number of messages(millions) from oner machine to another. The two approaches we are examining are MSMQ and SQL Broker. The MSMQ is set up as a remote queue on the target machine, and the source machine takes as little as 1 millisecond to send the message (using a .NET program). However, when testing on Service Broker, we find that the time taken to send message to the queue is significantly higher - like 70 millisecond. Could you please help us in understanding why this is happening?
The service broker distributed queues have been set up as per the directions in the posting at http://www.sqlservercentral.com/columnists/sindukuri/2797.asp
The source program (written in .NET) is calling a stored procedure in the source machine to write to the SSB queue. When we run SQL Trace, we find that the SP is responsible for 99% of the time taken. Here is our SP that send the message:
Declare @ConversationHandle uniqueidentifier
Begin Dialog @ConversationHandle
From Service SenderService
To Service 'ReceiverService'
On Contract SampleContract
WITH Encryption=off;
SEND
ON CONVERSATION @ConversationHandle
Message Type SenderMessageType
(<<XML String>>)
Please let us know if there are any additional settings required in the Service Broker to improve its performance. Or , what are the other approaches for building a distributed SSB application?
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Jan 26, 2007
Hello,
is there built-in support for monitoring the number of elements in the transmission queue via performance counters?
Thanks,
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Jan 11, 2006
Hello,
This is info that I am still not certain about and I just need to make sure, my gut feeling is correct:
A.
When a procedure is triggered upon reception of a message in a queue, what happens when the procedure fails and rolls back?
1. Message is left on the Queue.
2. is the worker procedure triggered again for the same message by the queue?
3. I am hoping the Queue keeps on triggering workers until it is empty.
My scenario is that my queue reader procedure only reads one message at a time, thus I do not loop to receive many messages.
B.
For my scenario messages are independent and ordering does not matter.
Thus I want to ensure my Queue reader procedures execute simultaneously. Is reading the Top message in one reader somehow blocking the queue for any other reader procedures? I.e. if I have BEGIN TRANSACTION when reading messages of the Queue, is that effectively going prevent many reader procedures working simultaneously. Again, I want to ensure that Service broker is effectively spawning procedures that work simultaneously.
Thank you very much for the time,
Lubomir
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Nov 22, 2002
I have a table that I want to act as a queue.
It has no indexes and no key. Just one column.
Basically I want a stored procedure that will pull / return the first record off the queue (table) and delete it. I'd rather not use MSMQ for this.
There will be about 10 users trying to do this at the same time and will be trying to pull of about 15 times every second.
How can I do this and ensure that no two requests pull off the same row?
Thanks,
Kevin
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Jul 20, 2005
I am trying to implement a very fast queue using SQL Server.The queue table will contain tens of millions of records.The problem I have is the more records completed, the the slower itgets. I don't want to remove data from the queue because I use thesame table to store results. The queue handles concurrent requests.The status field will contain the following values:0 = Waiting1 = Started2 = FinishedAny help would be greatly appreciated.Here is a simplified script to demonstrate what has been done.CREATE TABLE [dbo].[Queue] ([ID] [int] IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,[JobID] [int] NOT NULL ,[Status] [tinyint] NOT NULL) ON [PRIMARY]GOCREATE INDEX [Status] ON [dbo].[Queue]([Status]) ON [PRIMARY]GOCREATE PROCEDURE dbo.NextItem@JobID integer,@ID integer outputASSELECT TOP 1 @ID = [ID]FROM Queue WITH (READPAST, XLOCK)WHERE (Status = 0) AND (JobID = @JobID)RETURNGO
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Jul 10, 2015
I'm trying to flesh out a good queue table design with our dev team.So here is a general overview of the scenario. First an application will hit a WebAPI and grab any updates to Content and store those ID's in SQL (queue table). Next is the fun part, different multi threaded apps will process ID's from the queue. One app will make updates to the data in a different SQL DB while the other will update an index (likely Elastic).
Obviously, we don't want multiple threads working on the same items. One strategy could be to use UPDLOCK & READPAST query hints. However, I'm not sure about the reliability or performance of this solution. I just started looking into setting up a service broker but that would be completely unfamiliar territory for me. Also I can see how a broker might work well within the instance but how would that work with the application making updates to Elastic?
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Apr 7, 2004
Hi all
We are writing a web-based multi-user call centre application application.
we are getting concurrency problems as you would expect with a multiuser application.
the application is made for callers who will bring up a different contact to call based on some predefined priority. now because the algorithm that prioritises the contacts takes a good 2 seconds to run, if 2 different caller request for the next prioritised contact, they will retrieve the same contact.
The only way that we think can resolve this problem is by building a queue. The queue would be implemented as a table, the particular implementation of this queue would be, when ever someone retrieves an entry from the queue, a background process will go on and generate a new queued item, i.e. in a FIFO manner. So that's how we think we should implement the queue.
Now come the question how to implement it. My idea is to have row level locking and a trigger to remove queue items from the queue. so that once one caller have looked at one of the item in the queue, another user can't look at the same item.
Any suggestions as to how i might be able to avoid concurrency problems?
What do you all think of my idea of implementing the FIFO queue?/
Is it possible to do row level locking in such a way that other users won't even be able to read the locked entry??
James :)
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Jun 18, 2015
Trying to create a report... Report should show * documents on hold then depending on the "on-hold type" look in the corresponding table and SELECT a few fields. Here is what I have. Where do I SET the @profile variable to return the profile from my queue table?
DECLARe
@profilevarchar(256)
SELECT
q.[profile],q.on_hold,q.on_hold_message,q.dbc_state
FROM
QueueASq
[code]...
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Feb 14, 2007
hey all you database guru's hopefully someone can lend some insight as to a little table design problem I have.
Basically I've got a system in place to authorize users to access a website typical username password stuff. The table contains a list of users and there passwords plus the auth level and a few other tid bits that aren't really important enough to into detail about them here. What I want to do is add a messaging system to this, I think I could probably figure out a way to do this half decent if I setup a seperate table for each user to add a row to the table for every message entry than in my asp.net code have it delete everything but the last 10 entries every time a user logs on. However I would much prefer a way that I didn't have to setup a whole new table for each user just for messaging purposes, maybe store something like a list in one of the database cell's kind of like .nets generic.list or better yet generic.queue, I would also like a way if it's possible without too much work to have the table automatically delete the oldest message every time a new message is received if there's already 10 messages existing for the user.
Anyways hopefully someone has some experience in setting up a system like this, I don't really require any code samples I can code it all myself (other than the database code to automatically remove entry's, I'm not a database guy) if someone could just explain a way to accomplish what I'm trying to do, or if someone has a different more convenient way of doing this I would be up for suggestions
Thanks in advance for any help offered, I do appreciate it
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Apr 26, 2007
In a situation where messages are coming in faster than they can be processed, at what point will service broker start up another queue_reader? Also, how do you prevent table locking if part of the processing of that message involves inserting or updating data in a table? We are experiencing this problem because of the high number of messages coming through, and I'm not sure what the best solution is - does service broker have some built-in support for preventing contention on a table when multiple readers are running? Or maybe a pattern that can be used to get around it?
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Jan 23, 2008
Hi!
What is the difference in performance if I use a Temp-table or a local-table variable in a storedprocedure?
Why?
//Daniel
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Sep 27, 2005
Hi,I have a small theoretical issue.I have one table, which is prettyu large. There is lot of evaluationsrunning on this table, that's why, each process need to wait foranother to be finished. Sometimes, for some critical functions, ittakes to long time.I don't think that I can speed up processes, by changing the indexes onthe tables (to increase scan time for example), because this issomething what I was experimenting with already, and it was not enoughtgood.My question is, will it improve performance, if I will create secondtable, exactly like this one, and I will split some evaluations, thatthe one, which defenately need to run on the source table will run onthe first one, and the second evaluations, will run on the other one.To keep data consistance between this two tables, I was thinking baouttrigger on insert on the mother table, which will transport the data toanother one.Second part is: to improve selects on the table, should I set indexeswith option of Fill factor as possible close to 100% or as possibleclose to 0%. Or maybe should I set the pad index option?What about clustered indexes. Is it better to use them if I would liketo increase performace for selects?Thanks in advanceMateusz
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Jan 4, 2004
I've read that table variables give better performance than temporary tables as they are kept in memory and don't need to be recorded in transaction logs ect however I have a stored proceedure which takes 0.183 seconds to execute but when I change the one temporary table used in the proceedure to a table variable the execution time increases to 0.223.
Not much of an increase I admit but it just seems contrary to what I've read.
I want to get the best performance possible so can someone explain to me what is going on ?
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Apr 30, 2007
I find that joining to the same table twice is OK, but as soon as you do it 3 or more times you get a massive performance hit.
Does anyone know the reason for this? Whats special about 3?
What's the best approach to do this sort of thing?
(I've used the SQL Server 2005 Tuning Advisor to add indexes for the query).
Rather than:
Select ..., sum(a1.<column>), sum(a2.<column>), sum(a3.<column>) from master_table
left join table_1 a1 on ...
left join table_1 a2 on ...
left join table_1 a3 on ...
group by ...
I have to select all the table and filter it using case:
Select ...,
sum(case when table_1.<column> = '...') as a1,
sum(case when table_1.<column> = '...') as a2,
sum(case when table_1.<column> = '...') as a3,
from master_table
left join table_1
group by ...
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Dec 28, 2007
Hi,
I have a denormalized table (done so with reason) with around 40 columns. I would never have to retrieve data for all of those columns together.
I haven't done any performance measurements yet but just wondering if anyone has ready answer to this: Will there be a performance degradation if I retrieve data from a table with many columns, even if not all columns are referred in the query? (for making it simple, lets assume that all or varchar type of columns, I just want to find out if performance degrades if there are too many columns in table)
Thanks in advance,
Sandeep
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Mar 28, 2008
I will be receiving data from a company called Loan Performance, that has one file/table that will hold 1 billion rows. They send data by period, and I plan to load the data via BCP via NT/DOS scripts. The 1 billion rows represents data for 200+ periods.Are the following design plans feasible1. Partition table by period value, I'm not sure of the max number of partitions per table in 2005, but I think we have periods data back to 1992 and a new one gets created every month, so the possibility of having > 1000 partitions exists. I plan on just pre-creating partitions for future data, instead of dynamically creating when a new period is sent.2. Load data via BCP in DOS shell scripts that will drop index (by partition), BCP in data, and they re-create indexes by partition, is this possible ? and will I see a performance increase as opposed to one huge table (I'm pretty much sure I will). There is usually one periods data present per day, but sometimes the vendor resends all data (would get loaded on weekend).I'm a bit unsure of where to start being I never worked with this amount of data. I worked with partitioning in Oracle a long time ago.I plan on having an 2XQuadCore 2.66Ghz CPU with 32GB of RAM and SQL2005EE 64Bit connected to 1 Terabyte SAN Disk.Thanks all,PMA
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Jan 11, 2007
I created two tables one is based on partition structure and one is non-partition structure.
File Groups= Jan,Feb.....Dec
Partition Functions='20060101','20060201'......'20061201'
I am using RIGHT Range in Partition function.
Then I defined partition scheme on partition function.
I have more than 7,00,000 data in my database.
I checked filegroups and count rows. It works fine.
But When I check the estimation plan time out for query it is same for both partition table and non partition table.
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Jan 11, 2007
I created two tables one is based on partition structure and one is non-partition structure.
File Groups= Jan,Feb.....Dec
Partition Functions='20060101','20060201'......'20061201'
I am using RIGHT Range in Partition function.
Then I defined partition scheme on partition function.
I have more than 7,00,000 data in my database.
I checked filegroups and count rows. It works fine.
But When I check the estimation plan time out for query it is same for both partition table and non partition table.
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Jul 11, 2007
Hello -- thank you for taking the time to read this.
I have a very large table that is used both for archives and new information. To get the current information, the table is queried by many different users at various polling periods. The SELECT required includes about fifteen JOINS, and only returns about 200 rows at any given time.
So I got to thinking if it might be faster to periodically run the big query as a SELECT INTO into a smaller table and letting the polling clients query the smaller table with SELECT *. Periodically, the smaller table would be DROPPED and refereshed with another SELECT INTO.
Trouble is, the data would have to be updated once every 30 seconds, and there are inbound polls coming at the rate of about 200 per minute. It got me to thinking what might happen if a client attemtped to query the smaller table when it was in the process of being dropped and refilled.
So my question is three-part:
1) assuming a larger table of about 500,000 records and only 500 pertinent at any given time, is there any real potential of performance enhancement by switching to a SELECT INTO table?
2) if so, is there a chance of a client failing a query if the inbound query somehow collides with the DROP/SELECT INTO procedure?
3) if so, is there any way to prevent it or a better way of doing this?
Thanks again for reading, and in advance for any help you can provide. I apologize if I sound like a dummy - it's hard to fake intelligence!
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Oct 21, 2007
Hello,
Working with SQL Server 2000, I have a table with the following structure:
ID (INT)
userID (INT, foriegn key)
productID (INT)
productQTY (DECIMAL(5,2))
purchaseDate(smalldatetime)
I have about a 1000 users, entering about 20-30 rows per day each, i.e ~20,000 - 30,000 new rows per day. The table might be queried with a simple "SELECT" for the products a user ordered per day or per time frame (purchaseDate column).
My question (finally) is - when should I expect to see performance degradation? Is there anything I can do to prevent it (i.e splitting this table somehow to several tables)?
Thank you all in advance
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Mar 31, 2008
Monthly, I copy a table from one database to another database. I delete the original table and copy the table back speed the performance of the query on the order of 10 to 1. Why does this work?
Detail:
I have a legacy table that a small application queries about once a month. The table was poorly designed and the query runs a date range comparison on one field and has a sub query that runs string comparison against six fields. I cannot change the calling app or table design. When the app calls the query, the call times out due to the inordinate length of time. To fix this until next months query, I copy the table out, delete the original and copy back. What changes when the table is copied to another database and then copied back? The performance of the query changes from 10sec to 1.
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Sep 6, 2005
Hello all,I've following problem. Please forgive me not posting script, but Ithink it won't help anyway.I've a table, which is quite big (over 5 milions records). Now, thistable contains one field (varchar[100]), which contains some data inthe chain.Now, there is a view on this table, to present the data to user. Theproblem is, in this view need to be displayed some data from this onelarge field (using substring function or inline function returningvalue).User in the application, is able to filter and sort threw this fields.Now, the whole situation starts to be more complicated, if I would likecombine this table, with another one, where is one additional much morlarger field, from which I need to select data in the same way.Problem is: it takes TO LONG to select the data according to userrequest (user access view, not table direct)Now the question:- using this substring (as in example) is agood solution, or beter todo a inline function which will return me the part of this dataset(probably there is no difference)- will it be much faster, if i could add some fields in toSource_Table, containing also varchar data, but only this part whichI'm interested in and binde these fields in view instead off usingsubstring function?Small example:CREATE TABLE [dbo].[Source_Table] ([CID] [numeric](18, 0) IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,[MSrepl_tran_version] uniqueidentifier ROWGUIDCOL NULL ,[Date_Event] [datetime] NOT NULL ,[mama_id] [varchar] (6) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS NOT NULL ,[mama_type] [varchar] (4) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS NULL ,[tata_id] [varchar] (4) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS NOT NULL ,[tata_type] [varchar] (2) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS NULL ,[loc_id] [nvarchar] (64) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS NOT NULL ,[sn_no] [smallint] NOT NULL ,[tel_type] [smallint] NULL ,[loc_status] [smallint] NULL ,[sq_break] [bit] NULL ,[cmpl_data] [varchar] (100) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS NOT NULL ,[fk_cmpl_erp_data] [numeric](18, 0) NULL ,[erp_dynia] [bigint] NULL) ON [PRIMARY]GOcreate view VIEW_AllDataasselect top 100 percentisnull(substring(RODZ.cmpl_data,27,10),'-') as ASO_NO,(RODZ.mama_type + RODZ.mama_Id) as MAMA,isnull(substring(RODZ.cmpl_data,45,5),'-') as MI,isnull(substring(RODZ.cmpl_data,57,3),'-') as ctl_EC,isnull(substring(RODZ.cmpl_data,60,3),'-') as ctl_IC,RODZ.Date_Event as time_time,RODZ.sn_no as SNFROMSource_Table RODZ with (nolock)goThanks in advanceMateusz
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May 2, 2007
Hi :I have a TableA with around 10 columns with varchar and numericdatatypesIt has 500 million records and its size is 999999999 KB. i believe itis kbi got this data after running sp_spaceused on it. The index_size wasalso pretty big in 6 digits.On looking at the tableAit didnot have any pks and hence no clustered index.It had other indicesIX_1 on ColAIX_2 on ColBIX_3 on ColCIX_4 on ColA, ColB and ColC put together.Queries performed in this table are very slow. I have been asked totune up this table.I know as much info as you.Data prior to 2004 can be archived into another table. I need to run aquery to find out how many records that is.I am thinking the following, but dont know if i am correct ?I need to add a new PK column (which will increase the size of thetableA) which will add a clustered index.Right now there are no clustered indices2. I would like help in understanding should i remove IX_1, IX_2, IX_3as they are all used in IX_4 anyway .3. I forget what the textbox is called on the index page. it is set to0 and can be set from 0 to 100. what would be a good value for it ?thank you.RS
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Aug 13, 2007
Right now, a client of mine has a T-SQL statement that does thefollowing:1) Create a temp table.2) Populate temp table with data from one table using an INSERTstatement.3) Populate temp table with data from another table using an INSERTstatement.4) SELECT from temp table.Would it be more efficient to simply SELECT from table1 then UNIONtable 2? The simply wants to see the result set and does not need tore-SELECT from the temp table.
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Oct 19, 2007
Hi folks,
Environment:
We change from SQL Server CE 2.0 to SQL Server CE 3.0, and we got our customer complaining about the performance lost in the process that makes 50 updates in the Pocket PC with windows mobile 5.0.
Our customer says that when they used the SQL Server CE 2.0 the process was quicker.
Process:
We need to do an update to 50 rows every time we lose the focus. Those 50 update are creating a deterioration of performance.
There is any Patch to add to SQL Server CE 3.0? There is any problem updating 50 times on a row losing performance?
Thanks in advance.
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Sep 28, 2007
I have an existing database with a table of about 50 milion records. There are also about 20 other tables, but they are alot smaller. The large table has a uniqueidentifier as it's Primary key (not sequential) and a forien key to a 'parent' table. The table also has a column telling when it was created. So, a bit simplified, it looks like:
ChildTable
---------------
Id uniqueidentifier <PK>
ParentId uniqueidentifier <FK>
CreationDate DateTime
ParentTable
-----------------
Id uniqueidentifier <PK>
CreationDate DateTime
Most of the questions accessing the Child table (the large table) is doing so by referensing the parent table, and not the CreatingDate, i.e.
SELECT *
FROM ChildTable
WHERE ParentId = '......'
All records with a specific ParentId will have very similiar CreationDates.
Now, my question is, will Partitioning the ChildTable boost performance for me? In case it will, what column(s) would define the Partitions? If I do it by CreationDate, a select-query like the one above will have to scan all partitions anyway, doesn't it? Doing it by Id isn't soo easy either I guess? If it helps, it might be possible to change the primary keys in the tables to have sequential guids.
Is there perhaps a performance tool to get help with suggestions about how to partition the table? Something like the 'Performance dashboard' reports, but for partitioning?
Regards Andreas
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Aug 15, 2007
We have a table that is 800GB. We are planning to re-build the clustered index on this table to a different filegroup. The new filegroup and files associated with it will sit on a SAN which will have a 1.5TB allocation. Does anyone have any suggestions in regards to how many files to have associated with the filegroup to provide optimal performance? Apparently we could have 3 LUNS (500gb each), so would 1 file on each LUN provide additional performance as opposed to one file on 1 LUN?
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Aug 18, 2006
I am making a ASP.NET web application that involves 2 SQL Server(A & B).
I created a view in SQL server A pointing to the table in SQL Server B. I found out my application will run REALLY slow when accessing such a view. so I try to avoid using them. But in the case of 2 table joining from 2 different SQL Servers, I have no choice.
Can anyone help me with this?
Thanks!
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Feb 11, 2004
I need to know what is the best performance for needing to do calculations for a particular column. I want to do something like:
Select IID
, ItemNo
, StdRun
, ActRun
, dbo.fnCalc(OutCount)
From myTable
The function is basically a set of Case Statements and various calculations dependant upon the Case.
Is this the best (performance wise) way to do it or should I dump the needed info in a Temp Table and do the calcs on it and then tie the select statement to the table.
I've seen both approaches done, but they both seem to be a different way of getting to the same conclusion. I'm just wondering which puts the lightest load on the server.
Thanks,
Tim
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Sep 20, 2007
I have two table A and B:
A 2000000 Rows 569288KB 8KB index
B 3000000 Rows 853712KB 8KB index
But when do "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM A/B", table B is significantly slower than A:
A 0 secend
B 8 seconds
Does anyone know why? So I can boost the performance to search table B.
Thanks in advance.
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Nov 19, 2007
I have two databses SIS and SIS_Pro. Users tables should be used in both of them because I have some relations between this table with other table in SIS and SIS_Pro. Users in SIS only have one column and it is the UserId which is the primary Key in both of them, but in SIS_Pro Users table have Firstname Lastname and... now. In my program I need some informatin from SIS and some from SIS_Pro so I create a view which is joining of forexample exam in SIS and Users in SIS_Parnian, becuase I don't have the firstname and lastname in a Users table which is in SIS_Pro databse.Does it reduce the performance?is it better to copy datas which are in Users in SIS to Users in SIS_Pro( I mean all columns firstname, lastname ,,.....)
Sincerely
Kianoosh
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