Problem Installing SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition

Mar 20, 2007

Hi,

I have a problem installing SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition.

When I start the setup, I get the message:

"SQL Server Setup could not run. Another instance of SQL Server Setup is already running. The running instance must complete before you can run SQL Server Setup again"

I am using Windows XP and have SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server Express 2005 installed.

I shut down both instances before I attempted to do the install but I still get the message.

I checked active tasks but no tasks with SQL* is running.

Please advise.

Thanks

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j:5810c5ab299ece9157setup.exe Version: 2005.90.1399.0
Running: LoadResourcesAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:29
Complete: LoadResourcesAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:29, returned true
Running: ParseBootstrapOptionsAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:29
Loaded DLL:j:5810c5ab299ece9157xmlrw.dll Version:2.0.3604.0
Complete: ParseBootstrapOptionsAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:30, returned false
Error: Action "ParseBootstrapOptionsAction" failed during execution. Error information reported during run:
Could not parse command line due to datastore exception.
Source File Name: utillibpersisthelpers.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:55 2005
Function Name: writeEncryptedString
Source Line Number: 124
----------------------------------------------------------
writeEncryptedString() failed
Source File Name: utillibpersisthelpers.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:55 2005
Function Name: writeEncryptedString
Source Line Number: 123
----------------------------------------------------------
Error Code: 0x80070002 (2)
Windows Error Text: The system cannot find the file specified.
Source File Name: cryptohelpercryptsameusersamemachine.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Mon Jun 13 14:30:00 2005
Function Name: sqls::CryptSameUserSameMachine:rotectData
Source Line Number: 50
2
Could not skip Component update due to datastore exception.
Source File Name: datastorecachedpropertycollection.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:49 2005
Function Name: CachedPropertyCollection::findProperty
Source Line Number: 130
----------------------------------------------------------
Failed to find property "InstallMediaPath" {"SetupBootstrapOptionsScope", "", "6068"} in cache
Source File Name: datastorepropertycollection.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:50 2005
Function Name: SetupBootstrapOptionsScope.InstallMediaPath
Source Line Number: 44
----------------------------------------------------------
No collector registered for scope: "SetupBootstrapOptionsScope"
Running: ValidateWinNTAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:30
Complete: ValidateWinNTAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:30, returned true
Running: ValidateMinOSAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:30
Complete: ValidateMinOSAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:30, returned true
Running: PerformSCCAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:30
Complete: PerformSCCAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:30, returned true
Running: ActivateLoggingAction at: 2007/11/22 11:51:30
Error: Action "ActivateLoggingAction" threw an exception during execution. Error information reported during run:
Datastore exception while trying to write logging properties.
Source File Name: datastorecachedpropertycollection.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:49 2005
Function Name: CachedPropertyCollection::findProperty
Source Line Number: 130
----------------------------------------------------------
Failed to find property "primaryLogFiles" {"SetupStateScope", "", ""} in cache
Source File Name: datastorepropertycollection.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:50 2005
Function Name: SetupStateScope.primaryLogFiles
Source Line Number: 44
----------------------------------------------------------
No collector registered for scope: "SetupStateScope"
00EFCFC4Unable to proceed with setup, there was a command line parsing error. : 2
Error Code: 0x80070002 (2)
Windows Error Text: The system cannot find the file specified.
Source File Name: datastorepropertycollection.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:50 2005
Function Name: SetupBootstrapOptionsScope.InstallMediaPath
Source Line Number: 44
Class not registered.
Failed to create CAB file due to datastore exception
Source File Name: datastorecachedpropertycollection.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:49 2005
Function Name: CachedPropertyCollection::findProperty
Source Line Number: 130
----------------------------------------------------------
Failed to find property "HostSetup" {"SetupBootstrapOptionsScope", "", "6068"} in cache
Source File Name: datastorepropertycollection.cpp
Compiler Timestamp: Fri Jul 29 01:13:50 2005
Function Name: SetupBootstrapOptionsScope.HostSetup
Source Line Number: 44
----------------------------------------------------------
No collector registered for scope: "SetupBootstrapOptionsScope"
Message pump returning: 2

Also, the SQL Server express also did not install at all when I was installing VS 2005 Pro.

Any ideas?


Edgar Cohen | enc0hen@comcast.net

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