Recovery :: Differential Backup Much Larger Than Database / Full Backup
Nov 16, 2015
I have a database that is just over 1.5GB and the Full backup that is 13GB not sure how this is since we have compression on for full backups and my other full backups are much smaller than there respective databases...Now my full backup is taken every Sunday night and the differentials are taken every 6 hours after the full backup. Now I have been thrown into this DBA role with little to no experience just what I have picked up and read. So my understanding of backups are limited but what I think I understand is that we take a full backup and the differential only captures what changes in the database so my question is why is my database 1.5GB but my differential is 15.4GB? I have others database that are on the same instance and don't seem to have this problem. I also just noticed that we do not rebuild the index before a full backup like we do on other instances...
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Feb 19, 2015
Using Ola Hallengren's scripts I do a full backup of a database on a Sunday. Then differential backups every 6 hours and log backups every hour. I would like to keep a full week of backups based off the full backup done on Sunday. Is there a way for me to clear out the diff and log folders after the successful full backup on Sunday nights?
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May 29, 2015
My Database has many Dead lock issues,Will this Dead locks cause Differential database failure ?.
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Jul 19, 2007
Hi
I am using the Simple recovery model and I'm taking a weekly full backup each Monday morning with differentials taken every 4 hours during the day.
On Wednesday afternoon, a programmer ran a process that corrupted the db and I had to restore to the most recent differential. It was 5pm in the afternoon and a differential backup had just occured at 4pm. No problem, I figured.
I restored the full backup from Monday morning and tried to restore the most recent differential backup. The differential restore failed. Since I had used T-SQL for the initial attempt, I tried using Enterprise Manager to try again.
When viewing the backup history, I see my initial full backup taken on Monday plus all the differentials. BUT, on closer inspection, I noticed another full backup in the backup history that was taken early Tuesday morning. I can't figure out where this Tuesday morning full backup came from. It wasn't taken by me (or scheduled by me) and I'm the only one with access to the server. My full backups are usually named something like HCMPRP_20070718_FULL.bak. This erroneous full backup was named something like HCMPRP_03a_361adk2k_dd53.bak. It seemed like it was a system generated name. Not something I would choose. To top it off, I could not find this backup file anywhere on the server and when I tried to restore using this full backup, it failed.
Does anyone have any clues as to where this full backup might come from? Does SQL Server trigger a full backup on its own if some threshold is reached?
I ended up having to restore using the differential taken just before this erroneous full backup and lost a day of transactions.
Any insight is greatly appreciated.
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Jun 6, 2007
Hi,
Using SQL Server 2005, we have a 2.8Gb database under the Simple recovery model. The database contains ~50M rows and each night ~60k rows are loaded(appended) to the database by a SSIS task.
We configured a Maintenance Plan which is executed once a week to perform a full backup of the database. The resulting backup file is ~2.8Gb, as expected.
We also configured another Maintenance Plan which is executed every day, a few hours after the SSIS task is executed, to perform a differential backup. To our surprise, the resulting backup file is about the same size as the full backup, ~2.8Gb when it should only be a few MB (only 60k rows are added to the database)
When we launch the "Restore Database" wizzard we clearly see the different backup set, Full and Differential but they all have about the same size (same for the physical backup file on disk).
Is there anything we are missing, why are the differential backup that big?
Thanks for any advice.
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Apr 10, 2008
Greetings all and thanks for reading this post.
Here is my situation... I have 2 fairly large databases. Full backups are 83gb & 63gb. I am in the process of moving these database to a new data center. I've taken full backups of these databases and shipped them to the new center. I have been taking transaction log backups (larger db every 24 hrs smaller db every 15 min ... from log shipping).
I want to restore these databases in the new data center. I've gone ahead and restored the dbs in the new location.
Question final cutover.. can I just apply the transaction logs to the databases on final cut-over or do I have to restore the database backup first then apply the transaction logs?
Is there an other way to do this that I'm missing?
Thanks.
Kurt
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Jun 30, 2015
I have a small, ~10GB SQL 2008 R2 database, that was setup with simple recovery. We do full backup each night at midnight when no one is using the database. Is there any problems with doing differential backups during the day when users may be writing to the database? Could I even do hourly differential backups while users are using the database? I'm conflicted about switching over to full recovery mode and using transaction logs to have the ability restore data between backups. If I can do a couple daily differential backups while users are using the database during the day, in addition to our nightly full backups, than I live with simple recovery mode.
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Sep 11, 2007
I want to set a full and differential backup to one database in sql server 2000.
Is there a way to set both full and differential to just one database.
i want the full backup weekly once and differential every day to set up.
Please let me know
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Oct 30, 2015
I missed the ability to restore based on a time (10/23 6pm) due to our purge cycle in our production environment, but I was able to obtain the 10/18 full backup, the 10/23 differential backup, and the 4, 10/23 trans. log backups. I moved all the fore mentioned files to a staging environment, and now I am trying to restore all of the files to 10/23 6pm and I get :
"The log or differential backup cannot be restored because no files are ready to rollforward" error.
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Jun 29, 2007
Hi,
After some advice - I have a SQL Server 2005 database which is part
of an anti-virus setup. The main database is 25Gb is size, and it
is running in simple recovery mode. There are two backup jobs in
place, one to do a differential backup each Mon-Sat, and one to
do a full backup on Sun. Although the backups do get done they
are taking 5 hours to do. Any wiz out there care to suggest what
the problem is, I would've though that maybe an hour was more
acceptable ?
Cheers,
Gordon
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Sep 13, 2006
I am running the following script to attempt a restore of a differential backup:
RESTORE DATABASE AdventureWorks
FROM DISK='C:SQL2005_BackupsAutoBackupsAdventureWorks.bak'
WITH
NORECOVERY
GO
RESTORE DATABASE AdventureWorks
FROM DISK='C:SQL2005_BackupsAutoBackupsAdventureWorksDiff.bak'
WITH RECOVERY
GO
I thought this was the way to do it. It does restore the full backup, but on the attempt to restore the differential backup, I get the following error:
Msg 3136, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
This differential backup cannot be restored because the database has not been restored to the correct earlier state.
Msg 3013, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
RESTORE DATABASE is terminating abnormally.
Does anyone know what this means? Do I have to use "with recovery" on the first restore? (The sample I took this from used "with norecovery")
The original backups were done with SQL Agent scheduled jobs. The script for the full backup is:
BACKUP DATABASE AdventureWorks
TO DISK='C:SQL2005_BackupsAutoBackupsAdventureWorks.bak'
The script for the differential backup is:
BACKUP DATABASE AdventureWorks
TO DISK='C:SQL2005_BackupsAutoBackupsAdventureWorksDiff.bak'
WITH DIFFERENTIAL, INIT
All I can say is, it's a good thing I am testing this out with non-critical data, because I obviously don't know what I am doing. (Sorry, I'm primarily a programmer, not a DBA) Can anyone help?
Thanks
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Jul 15, 2015
We take a full backup in the early morning and hourly transaction log back during the working hours for one database in the production server. The application team made certain changes to the design of the said database in their development server. The backup from the development server was restored to the production server during working hours. After the restoration should we take a full backup before next transactional logbackup? Would the transactional log backup with out a full backup after the restoration of a database be valid?
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Jun 10, 2006
Hi MVPS/MS Experts:
Pardon me and my ignorance for asking this question. I just want to understand the backup architecture more clearly. According to BOL (both in SQL 2k and SQL 2k5) in simple recovery mode trasaction log backup is not possible since the log is truncated on checkpoint which is true. Also we know that FULL backup backups both the db and transaction log as well.
My question is what happens when a database is in simple recovery mode and a full backup is done. since the tran log cannot be backed up does only the db backup is done when a full backup is done?. What exactly happens behind the scenarios?. Is it that only the active log gets backed up when a full backup is done in simple recovery mode?. I am trying to understand how a full backup in simple recovery mode behaves without contradicting the full backup architecture and that the veracity of the statement (both db and tran log backup in full backup mode) holds true for a simple recovery scenario.
MVPs/ MS Experts if you could Please explain it in detail, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks
Ankith
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Mar 26, 2008
Hello all,
First off, I appreciate the time that those of you reading and responding to this request are offering. My quesiton is a theoretical and hopefully simple one, and yet I have been unable to find an answer to it on other searches or sources.
Here's the situation. I am working with SQL Server 2005 on a Windows Server 2003 machine. I have a series of databases, all of which are in Full recovery mode, using a backup device for the full database backups and a separate device for the log backups. The full backups are run every four days during non-business hours. The log backups are run every half hour.
Last week, one of my coworkers found that some rarely-used data was unavailable, and wanted to restore a database to a point in time where the data was available. He told me that point in time was some time back in November.
To accomplish this, I restored the database (in a separate database, as to not overwrite my production database) using the Point in Time Recovery option. I selected November from the "To a point in time" window (I should note that this window is always grey, never white like most active windows, it seems), and the full database backup and the subsequent logs all became available in the "Select the backup sets to restore" window.
I then tried a bevy of different options from the "Options" screen. However, every restore succeeds (ie: it doesn't error out), but seems to be bringing the database back to a current point in time. It's never actually going back to the point in time I specify.
My questions are as follows:
a) Is it possible to do a point in time recovery to a point in time BEFORE the last full database backup?
b) If so, what options would you recommend I use? (ie: "Overwrite the existing database", restore with recovery, etc etc).
I again appreciate any and all advice I receive, and I look forward to hearing from anyone and everyone on this topic. Thank you.
Ryan
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Oct 17, 2006
I have a full backup and several diff backup,now i want to restore
firstly,I restore full backup
RESTORE DATABASE ***
FROM DISK = 'D:databackup200610140000.bak'
WITH NORECOVERY
GO
it's working,then i don;'t know how to continue
Thanks in advance
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Feb 14, 2007
When we do a full database backup manually, we are seeing the trn file reflect the current date/time, but we are not seeing the mdf reflect the new date/time. And we are not seeing the transaction log file decrease in size. the recovery mode is set to full, do we need to change to simple to see both the mdf being backup'ed?
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Mar 3, 2008
how it is possible to take differential backup of database automaticaly in sql server 2k?
plz someone help me out.
thanks
Rahul Arora
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Feb 13, 2007
hi seniors ,
I am running sql server 2005 under details
Microsoft SQL Server 2005 - 9.00.3033.00 (X64)
Copyright (c) 1988-2005 Microsoft Corporation
Standard Edition (64-bit)
on Windows NT 5.2 (Build 3790: Service Pack 1)
When i attempt to take differentail backup i receieved following message
"Cannot perform a differential backup for database "abc",
because a current database backup does not exist.
Perform a full database backup by reissuing BACKUP DATABASE,
omitting the WITH DIFFERENTIAL option. [SQLSTATE 42000] (Error 3035)
BACKUP DATABASE is terminating abnormally. [SQLSTATE 42000] (Error 3013)."
when i search this msg on net than i find that it is microsoft bug 863 so i found hotfixes
about this problem and tried to install but unable to install (On installation screen select feature i am unable to click on check box)
Can any one help me regarding to this issue .And more is.. full back of db "abc" exists and i never changed its location nor rename file name.
Regards
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Jun 13, 2007
what is the differences between a differenctial backup and transaction log backup?
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Jul 25, 2015
receive an error: "Cannot perform a differential backup for database ..., because a current database backup does not exist." Can't fully understand what to do with this.
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Aug 17, 2007
I have done a full backup on 3pm, and a differential backup on everyday 5pm.
I try to restore it back in my testing server and i encounter the problem in restoring the File3 and i try to restore the File 2 and it is okie. Can i know wat is the problem usually cause this error? Thank you
File 1: Full Backup
File 2: Differential Backup
File 3: Differential Backup
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Sep 24, 2015
We are getting a security audit for the company I work for and got this question recently, and while my answer would be "everything is possible", I know that DIFFs alone can't restore a SQL database.
Having said that (and don't want to read hypothetical comments) how can a hacker read confidential information from an unencrypted DIFF backup? Let's say he steals the DIFF backup alone.
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Aug 3, 2015
Need to restore database,here's the scenario:
Data got deleted on Friday evening, need to have database restored to FRiday afternoon and also some data has been entered on Monday, which needs to be there.
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Dec 19, 2006
Hi,
If we delete a Database accidentally (no backup exists), Is it possible to recover. How?
Thanks
ven--
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Jan 31, 2008
Hi there
I'm getting this message on my third automated backup of the transaction logs of the day. Both databases are in full recovery mode, both successfully backed up at 01.00. The transaction logs backed up perfectly happily at 01:30 and 05:30, but failed at 09:30.
The only difference between 05:30 and 09:30's backups is that the log files were shrunk at 08:15 (the databases in question are the ones that sit under ILM2007, and keeping the log files small keeps the system running better).
Is it possible that shrinking the log files causes the database to think that there hasn't been a full database backup?
Thanks
Jane
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Nov 29, 2007
If my backup starts at 8PM and take 1 hour to complete, will the changes made to the database during that hour be captured in the full backup?
Stated another way, will my backup be a snapshot of:
a) 8PM when the backup started
b) 8PM with some of the changes made between the hour
c) 9PM when the backup finished?
Anybody know the exact way SQL Server handles that logic?
Thanks,
Marc
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Aug 8, 2007
Hello,
I have MS SQL 2005 server with 300+ databases on it. The application is set up that way that it creates a new database as needed (dynamically). Do not ask me why - I hate this design... So, it can create 3-4 databases a day (random time).
I've scheduled full backup of all databases to run once at night, and it runs just fine. Besides that, I have scheduled tran logs backup of all databases to run every hour. This backup fails from time to time with the following error:
Executing the query "BACKUP LOG [survey_p0886464_test] TO DISK = N'D:\backups\log backups\survey_p0886464_test_backup_200708072300.trn' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N'survey_p0886464_test_backup_20070807230002', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
" failed with the following error: "BACKUP LOG cannot be performed because there is no current database backup.
BACKUP LOG is terminating abnormally.". Possible failure reasons: Problems with the query, "ResultSet" property not set correctly, parameters not set correctly, or connection not established correctly.
So, I think what happens is since my full backup of all databases are scheduled to run only once at night, and tran logs every hour, when new database is created during the day, there is no full backup for it, that is why tran logs backup fails. Becuase after the failure, if I run full backup again, then tran log runs just fine afterwards.
I am new to MS SQL Server, I am mostly working with Sybase IQ. Do you know if I can "trigger" full backup every time when new database created to avoid tran lof failure?
Or is it possible to schedule full backup to run if tran log backup fails?
Any advice will be much appreciated.
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Mar 11, 2008
Hello, everyone:
I just heard that for restore purpose, ths full backup and transaction log backup should be from one maintenance plan. Otherwise transaction log backup files cannot be restored after restoring full backup files.
Is it true? Can anyone offer official documents?
In my system, full and transaction backups are from one maintenance plan. Restores are doing fine. I am not sure that ideal is true or not.
Thanks
ZYT
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Mar 15, 2007
If I create an adhoc db backup that takes, say 30 miuntes to complete, should I suspend the tran log backups that run every 10 minutes, until the full backup is complete?
Drew
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Jul 20, 2005
Question 13 GHZ CPU (Intel pentium 4) single cpu + 2 GB Memory + SCSI HDDDatabase size 10 GB - How long will full database backup take if thebackup is writing a file to the hard disk (separate hard disk)Question 2during this full backup are users and application able to access thedatabasefor examplea) select recordsb) insert , update, delete recordsor is the database backup causing the database to be exclusivelylocked up ?Thanks in advance
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Sep 22, 2015
For the best practice I issued full SQL Server database, differential and transaction log backups. I have setup a process to backup to local disks and then also copy the files to a centralized set of storage. On a weekly basis the centralized file system is backed up to a tape backup device. I know I can get data off of the tapes, but that process is time consuming, not well tested from my perspective and I am not in control of the overall process. Can you offer some recommendations from a SQL Server backup retention perspective?
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May 3, 2001
SQL 7.0 SP1 on NT 4.0 EE
Thru maintenance plan I backup my DBs every night and the T-Logs every hour.
Now I have to set the option "select into/bulk copy" on one DB.
I schedule the differential backup every 3 hour with option "overwrite existing media", wich is, in my case, one file on disk.
My sequence of T-Logs is valid even if a non logged operations occurs?
If I have to restore this DB can I use the last full backup + the differential backup + all the logs in between?
example:
22.00 full db backup
08.00 t-log
09.00 t-log
10.00 t-log
10.30 diff backup
11.00 t-log
12.00 t-log
13.30 diff backup
14.00 t-log
15.00 t-log
Or my log are unusuable because the non logged operation?
Thank you very much.
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Aug 31, 2001
I trying to created a Differential backup and I get the following error. Can anyone help?
The volume on device 'd:MSSQL7BACKUPCPIDATABKUP.BAK' is not part of a multifamily (RAID) media set. Use WITH FORMAT to form a new RAID set. [SQLSTATE 42000] (Error 3259) Backup or restore operation terminating abnormally. [SQLSTATE 42000] (Error 3013). The step failed.
Thanks
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