Relational DB Model For An Engineering Applicaiton
Aug 6, 2007
I'm not sure where to post this - but, I'm a DBA trying to do some modeling for a client developing an Engineering applciation.
There is a lot of interaction at the application layer between external systems and the database - I'm trying to find some ideas or templates of how others designing for a similar functionality did this.
THere are real-time displays for engineering equipment where the database must interact with different states of the equipment. The user enters search criteria for data stored in the database, and results and real-time attributes are displayed.
THis seems to be similar to a manufacturing model, but I'm struggling. I'm used to doing models for OLTP or business reporting databases. Part of the problem may be that there doesn't seem to be a good way to translate relational concepts to engineers. There are a lot of requests for bit fields.
Can anyone reccomend a reference I might look at to get some ideas on how to mesh the modeling of external processes with the database? A simple flow model doesn't seem to work (either technically or as a communication tool - I'm not sure which)
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Jul 20, 2005
Hi,This question has been bothering me for some time. A lot of peopleseem to "think" XML is the king of data problems, and I've heard thatnext version of SQL Server is going to have a strong XML flavor,meantime, I seem to get the impression that a large number ofhard-core relational model gurus do not seem to be that impressed withXML (technical value of this extra layer seems to be limited whilebusiness value might be substantial for instance, more software work,more disk space requirement etc. etc.). What's your take on this?Generality or specifics, all welcome. One specific question is, howcan XML supplement relational model?Thanks.
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Nov 5, 2006
Hi,
I have a large database with complex relations and I just can't figure out how to delete a single record and all its relations across database (not to mention that I can't understand why can't the DELETE statement work just like the SELECT).
It would be impossible to let you know the structure through this message, but let's say that I have 5 tables in which there are relations like this (all the tables contains a unique ID for each record, but not all contains info of the main record):
Production -> ProductionTypes
Sales -> ProductionTypes
Production -> Sales
Sales -> Personnel
Personnel --> Orders
Orders --> Financial
I hope we agree that if I delete the ProductionID.Production directly, there will be no way to know which Financial.Commission I have to delete because I just can't insert the ProductionID in every table on the database.
What do I have to do ? I just couldn't find any solid information regarding this subject on the net.
Many many thanks in advance !
George
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Aug 4, 2005
Hi all,
I am trying to create a diagram for our database, during the creating, I create some of the relationships which were not there(basically our original database is not relational database, that's why I am doing it)
So sometimes I have to chage data type in order to create a relationship for the coloumns in different tables. i.e. change char(16) to varchar(7) (I checked the field that make sure all the data in this field is <= 7 characters)
But when I saved the diagram, there is an error message that state:
Errors were encountered during the save process. Some of your database objects are not saved on your diagram.
'agent' table saved successfully
'VisitUSA' table
- Unable to create relationship 'FK_VisitUSA_agent'.
ODBC error: [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]ALTER TABLE statement conflicted with COLUMN FOREIGN KEY constraint 'FK_VisitUSA_agent'. The conflict occurred in database 'CMC', table 'agent', column 'AgentCode'.
What does that mean? is it caused by some of the agentcode data in VisitUSA table which is not in agent table?
Thanks!
Betty
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Nov 18, 1999
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2. How can I output the results of a stored procedure to a text file? When I run sp_configure I would like that information to go to a text file.
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Dec 25, 2007
hello,
I am beginner for asp.net and sql server. I used Sql server manegement studio full version and I exported my aspnetdb which was created by VS2005 to my host sql server. I have a question:
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thanks for your helps...
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I need to develop a language specific dwh, meaning that descriptions of products are available from a SAP system in multiple languages. English is the most important language and that is the standard. But, there are also requirements of countries that wants productdescriptions in their language.
Productnr Productdesc Language
1 product EN
1 produkt DE
One option is to column the descriptions, but that is not very elegantly. I was thinking of using bridge tables to model this but you have to always select a language in a filter (I think)..
I'm thinking of a technical solution, such that when a user logs on, the language is determined and a view determines whether to pick a certain product table specific for a certain language. But then I don't have the opportunity to interchange the different language specific fields in a report (or in my case PowerPivot).
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Apr 25, 2008
We have the following scenario,
We have our Production server having database on which Few DTS packages execute every night. Most of them have Bulk Insert stored procedures running.
SO we have to set Recovery Model of the database to simple for that period of time, otherwise it will blow up our logs.
Is there any way we can set up log shipping between our production and standby server, but pause it for some time, set recovery model of primary db to simple, execute DTS Bulk Insert Jobs, Bring it Back to Full recovery Model AND finally bring back Log SHipping.
It it possible, if yes how can we achieve this.
If not what could be another DR solution in this scenario.
Thanks Much
Tejinder
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Oct 27, 2007
Hi all,
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Jun 21, 2005
Hi all! I am working on a piece of SQL at the moment and I'm getting a little confused. I have 3 tables: Items, Attributes and a table linking them. I have 5 attributes and an item can have any of the 5 attributes. So my linking table holds the ItemID and the AttributeID and there can be 1-5 entries for each Item. A user can search for items based on Attributes; so they can tick 5 checkboxes that represent the 5 Attributes. So I need to build a query based on their choices. At the moment I'm using:Select * FROM ItemsINNER JOIN linking on Link_ItemID = Item_IDWHERE Link_AttributeID IN (10, 13, 17)But this brings out the Item that have either AttributeID of 10 or 13 or 17 whereas I need it to pull out ONLY items that have a AttributeID of 10 AND 13 AND 17.Can anyone help with this query? Sorry if this is badly worded. The solutions is prolly something really simple I have overlooked... :SI've also tried:Select * FROM ItemsINNER JOIN linking on Link_ItemID = Item_IDWHERE Link_AttributeID = 10 AND AttributeID = 13 etcBut obviously that won't work! :s
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Apr 22, 2006
Hi
I'm using VB.NET,ADO.NET in ASP.NET .
Microsoft .Net framework 1.0
Windows 2000
Visual Studio IDE
and SQLServer.
I have to create to tables as
Table1 contains ID,Name
Table2 contains ID,Marks,Foreign Key ie Primary key of the table Table1.
Give me an information how to create these two tables in SQLServer (I know how to create a table but i don't know how to create a table which includes Foreign Key.)
Then using Dataset i want to display the records as Name,Marks which are stored in two tables.
I have studied that in ADO Join query and record set object is used but it gives a problems and it is not good when we want to transfer the data between two applications or pages but dataset solves all those problems.
Give me an information about it.
Kindly help me
Thanks in advance
Regards.
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Nov 10, 2004
I have a database with 3 tables in a many to many relationship.
EmployeeGamingLicense
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I created the third table to hold the employeerenewal dates, I did this because I cant have repeating vaules in the primary table. I am just making sure that my course of action is the correct one. The purpose of the Employeerenewals is to give the users an indication that a certain renewal has been processed, because in the past there was several hundred that were not processed. The problem was that the users had no way of knowing this. What I was thinking was having the primary table calculate a renewal date based off the finalsuit and show the results in the Employeerenewals with a yes of no drop down. Now the yes or no drop down box will be give the users their red flag if the renewals have been processed or not.
Does that make sense??
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Sep 4, 2006
Hi
I am developing a website current and i have a database that seems to be growing very rapidly..
I would like to ask if anyone knows of any good tutorials/examples on relational databases?
Also does anyone know of any good database design tutorials/examples?
If it helps i am using Microsoft Visual Web Developer
Thanks
If you think you know it all?! You know nothing!
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Apr 26, 2007
If I have a table that contains default values or a constant values do I have to relate it to my other tables that might need them. Thanks in advance.
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Jun 15, 2007
My question:
How to have an unknown number of authors returned for a list of books, with the multiple authors being returned on the SAME row as each book
My table structure:
Table A - Books
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BookID | BookName
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1 | Book One
Table B -
RelatingTable
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BookID | AuthorID
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1 | 60
1 | 61
Table C - Authors
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AuthorID | AuthorName
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60 | Bob
61 | Joe
My query:
SELECT * FROM Books, RelatingTable, Authors AS a
INNER JOIN Books AS b ON b.BookID = r.BookID
INNER JOIN RelatedTable AS r ON r.AuthorID = a.AuthorID
Output I am getting:
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b.BookID | b.BookName | r.BookID | r.AuthorID | a.AuthorID | a.AuthorName
---------|------------|----------|------------|------------|-------------
1 | Book One | 1 | 60 | 60 | Bob
1 | Book One | 1 | 61 | 61 | Joe
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Desired output:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
b.BookID | b.BookName | r.BookID[0] | r.AuthorID[0] | a.AuthorID[0] | a.AuthorName[0] | r.BookID[1] | r.AuthorID[1] | a.AuthorID[1] | a.AuthorName[1]
---------|------------|-------------|---------------|---------------|-----------------|-------------|---------------|---------------|----------------
1 | Book One | 1 | 60 | 60 | Bob | 1 | 61 | 61 | Joe
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The desired output does not have to be like an array - I only assume thats what it would need to be
If you can post anything to help me get in the right direction I would really appreciate it
Thanks for your time!
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Feb 16, 2006
Hi,I have a very simple question.In what cases are relational databases necessary?Are they really necessary in cases where only asingle type of query is to be performed based on one uniquefield or can we just put all fields together in a single databaseand just access them through that unique field?
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Jun 27, 2007
Hi guys,
What is a "Relational Database"?
Thanks,
Aldo.
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Aug 1, 2006
I have a few questions for you guys. I have a client
application that can be offline or online. While offline, records can be added and need to be later synced to production.
I will use rda to pull the table down, and this is working fine. Now what if I
have multiple tables where I want a foreign key relationship?
With rda I can only pull down one table at a time from
everything I've read. Now say create a constraint after pulling the two or more tables down. While in offline mode I create a new record on two seperate tables with foreign key/primary key relationship.
When I do the push to the server will it automatically
update the foreign key reference (locally) to the right one on the production
server? Or will I get a duplicate primary key error? On the production server the primary key will be different because of the identity. This is very important because I will have multiple clients.
Thanks in advance
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Sep 22, 2007
Hi, not sure if this is the right forum for this question.
I am creating relational tables for the first time in sql server express. I will have an orderItems table and an orders table. the MenuItems table is the problem. It is a catalogue of books. There will be about ten columns. all are unique to each book. i.e isbn number, title, author, publisher etc. but ten columns seems to be quite cumbersome. it may be easier to break the table down into two tables (i.e. primary details and secondary details perhaps) However to populate the table in the first place it would be easier to have it as one table instead of opening and closing 2 tables Adding the odd book to the two tables in the future would not be a problem. so the question is can i create a table and then brak it into two relational tables afterwards. If so how do i do this. this is my foirst go at relational tables and i am still trying to get a handle on visualising them. If my logic is up the wall please let me know....
Nick
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Sep 28, 2005
I am building a data warehousing solution without using analysis services or OLAP or OLTP....
Dont ask why ... but I have to....
Ok so which table structure would be better ?
dimention 1|dimention 2|dimention 3|matrix 1|matrix 2|matrix 3|matrix 4....
or
dimention 1|dimention 2|dimention 3|matrix name|matrix value
I prefer the second one....
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Apr 2, 2008
Hello everyone
When converting From Relational data into XML which
method ie RAW, AUTO, PATH, EXPLICIT is mostly used and why please
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Apr 24, 2007
This is a bit of a trivial question, since I know how to actually create the code in SQL. Hope this is the right section to post it in too, since it sort of concerns design I guess..
My problem is how to I represent the following SQL query in relational algebra:
SELECT *
FROM Staff;
Since I'm using SELECT, I assume I use selection to represent it, so would it be as "ó(Staff)" [using the sigma symbol, in case it doesn't show]? But as I'm not specifying a predicate since I wish to select all fields in Staff, would it be simply represented as "Staff"?
I appreciate any help... it's been baffling me for a while
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Hotel(hotelno, hotelname ,city)
Room(roomNo, hotelNo,type,price)
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Jul 20, 2005
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I understand the basics for doing an insert. Their seems to be many ways of achieving the same thing in .net. I have used the tableadpaters and sqlcommand functionality to achieve this. My one question is how foregin keys should be created in associated tables. EG so if i create a new record entry in one table and the primary key for that entry is a foreign key in another table, do I need to call 2 table adapters, or run 2 sqlcommands(taking the primary key from the first traction and use this in the next transaction)?
Any help or direction for some good tutorials on this would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Mark
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