Replication :: Merge Rep Schema Change And Processing Order
Jul 14, 2015
Question re Merge rep (pull) and processing order.  We have a group of changes associated with an app upgrade, the scripts run fine on the publisher.   Part of the change includes creation of a new table , followed by altering a view to use new table.Following the change at the publisher, when the sync is kicked off from the subscriber, it fails - the alter of the view throws an'invalid object' error with regard to the new table. Seems as if the view alter is attempted before the dependant table has been created.Â
I have tried to amend the processing order of the view using sp_changearticle, which executes (quickly) with a 0 return code.But it is to no avail , the error still occurs.  is it possible to change the processing order for a view article , which will be applied to schema changes ? Have
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Jan 23, 2006
Hi there,
I wonder if I can ask for some advise? I wish to use SQL 2005 and merge replication but I have a few concerns over the schema changes that I am allowed to do on the publisher.
Ideally I want sql replication to push all my schema changes from the publisher to the subscribers but I don't know if it can. or even if it is recommended.
I see the BOL suggesting that schema repl. was mainly intended for ALTER type of statemenets, but can I use it for CREATE and DROP type DDL too?
For example, if I add a new table at the publisher I presume I have to add a new article too for this table. Then how can I create a new snapshot? Is this even the right way of doing it? Similarly if I want to DROP a table at the publisher I'm guessing I have to also delete any existing articles too, then recreate the snapshot.
Are there better / safer ways of doing schema changes? Perhaps I'm best disabling publishing and asking each remote site / db to update their schema manually and then re-enabling the publisher?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards.
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Jan 25, 2007
Hi all.
I 'm trying to set up merge replication between two servers that have the same schema databases. The two database have the majority of there data the same but as well as data inserted at a later time independently on the two servers. (The two servers were connected in a merge replication scheme that failed at some later time and replication was paused, but users continout to insert data indepentedly at the two servers.)
I need to get them up and running.
I cleaned replication at both servers, I recreated the publication at the puplisher distributor and all is fine.
When I create a push subscription to the subscriper I get the error invalid column name 'rowguidcol' .
I so far managed to have merge replication running on two identical databases (schema and data).
Just some thoughts. After some reading I found that it might be related to identities and identity range or indexes. I set the identity seed and increment at 2, 2 at publisher and at 1,2 at subscriper. (On the same tables at puplisher and subscriber.) Is that ok? is that the way to do it?
Digging a bit more Using the SQL Profiler I can locate the error to happen when sp_MSaddmergetriggers executes.
Thanks allot for any help
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Microsoft SQL Server 2000 - 8.00.2039 (Intel X86) May 3 2005 23:18:38 Copyright (c) 1988-2003 Microsoft Corporation Standard Edition on Windows NT 5.0 (Build 2195: Service Pack 4)
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Sep 10, 2007
I am using a merge publication set to synchronize schema changes. Why am I getting the following message when I try to sync after having added columns in the publication database using ALTER TABLE statements?
The schema definition of the destination table ... in the subscription database does not match the schema definition of the source table in the publication database. Reinitialize the subscription without a snapshot after ensuring that the schema definition of the destination table is the same as the source table.
Also, why doesn't reinitializing the subscription with @upload_first = false not fix the problem?
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Jun 25, 2007
I'm trying to set up a merge replication. Publication is created successfully and snapshot also, but when I create pull subscription on subscriber server and merge agent starts, after some time I get an error message of this type:
The schema script '\ANILREPLDATAuncANIL_BEJK_BEJK20070625142735dl_HF_vMSCene_3836.sch' could not be propagated to the subscriber.
It seams there is a problem with certain Views and SPs, because tables are successfully created, and some Views and SPs also.
I tried to exclude problematic articles, but every time another one pops up. Up until now, I excluded 7 articles from publication (1 Stored Procedure and 6 Views) but I still get errors.
I gave up because I can't exclude half of the Views and SPs just to make it work.
Is there something that can be done to solve this problem?
Thanks!
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May 29, 2007
I have a problem with sql server merge replication in sql server 2000.
If my db owner €œdbo€? and replication setup under €œsa€? account it works with out any problem. But when I use another db owner it can not work properly.
For an example I have customer table ([dbo]. [Customer]) When I setup merge replication under sa account it€™s work properly.
Again I was setup merge replication using another db owner ([INV]. [Customer]) It doesn€™t work.
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Apr 16, 2007
How can I keep schema changes in the subscriber's database when I replicate the snapshot from the publisher?
I just want to move data from a remote server, but it seems that the tables are being dropped which is not good as we use the subscriber as a development box.
Please advise
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Sep 8, 2006
Hi, this is a repost from the SQL Server group.I am wondering if it is possible to change the order that articles arepropagated to the subscriber. I currently have a table, say table Athat is used in view B. However, for a variety of reasons I need tochange the name of the table to C and create a new view called A.However, view B is being replicated before view A is being replicatedand it is generating an error, "The script file for view B cannot bepropagated to the subscriber."I'm hoping that by replicating view A first I should be able to avoidthe error.Any help would be appreciated. I hope my explaination is clear enough.Thanks,Cameron
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Dec 7, 2006
Hi there.
There is publication with two articles with master-detail relationship.
It is very important when syncronization process start to syncronize master table first.
How can I control the order of syncronization (customized)?
Thanks.
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Jul 4, 2007
Hi there,
We have a big problem here with merge replication, specifically whenever a schema change occurs. We are replicating schema changes, and triggers/stored procedures. The example is that we changed about 150 stored procedures and about 30 triggers. This is then replicated to the subscriber database (which is also a merge publisher for further remote systems that were offline at the time) over a 10Mb link - hardly low bandwidth. However, the replication process takes about an hour and a half - considering the SQL on the primary server took less than a minute to run this is a big suprise.
We've run a trace to see if we can identitfy what is going on. There seems to be a great number of calls to sp_MSunmarkschemaobject - we are still waiting for a trace to complete to fully analyse this however it looks like it calls this repeatedly for every stored procedure in the database. We are currently re-testing to one of the remote servers with the merge agent set to the slow profile (not much hope that this will alter the poor performance).
This task looks to be excessive - and certainly does not seem to function in a sensible manner. Has anyone else had similar issues or have any suggestions. This is very infuriating as it means that the servers are effectively offline for a minimum of and hour and a half (in fact the remoter servers take over 4 hours !).
Thanks.
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Mar 23, 2004
Hi all,
I'm admitedly a bit new to the world of replication, so please bear with me. I've got two SQL Server 2000 servers running in different locations. Server A does transactional replication over a push subscription to server B. If I need to make a minor change to one of the replicated tables (for example, dropping a no longer used column or changing a varchar field's length) do I need to drop the subscription, make the changes and then re-initialize the schemas and data?
For minor changes, I really hate having to knock out the site runnign off server B while the subscription is re-initialized and data is bulk copied back over. If I want to just make the changes manually on both servers will that cause problems down the line?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
tia.
-m
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Aug 10, 2006
can a sql server 2000 snapshot replication
solution handle a schema change.
as far as i know i can't drop a table involved in replication
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Mar 29, 2007
Hi
Created a table User with the fields of Uname varchar(30) and pwd varchar(30) in SQL server 2005.
I need to create a publication and Merge subscription with the below structural changes
User table with the fields of Uname varchar(25) and pwd carchar(30).
The publication table having the Uname varchar(30) but we change this to the subscription table as Uname varchar(25).
Is it possible? If you, please give the details.
Thanks.
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Jul 7, 2004
Hi
I am new to Sql server and had just finished the MErge Replication setup on one of the PRoduction server. Today I got the request to change one of the Datatype of one the Published Article. Please help as what are the correct step to make it happen. Is there any production downtime required and if yes , then how much.
Thanks in Advance
Sanjay
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Aug 16, 2004
Hi,
I'm using merge replication to maintain a backup copy of my main (publisher)MSDE database. A push subscription periodically (1 per minute) updates the backup DB.
It's intended that if the main db goes down then the backup (subscription) db can be configured as a publisher. This must all be performed via scripting.
The initial configuration of the main publisher and subscription is controlled via scripting, which works fine.
The problems occur when I try to configure the subsciber to become a publisher. A script is executed on the subscriber but fails at the point when it's configuring the publisher detail. The error is something like "unable to configure a publication for a database setup as an anonymous subscription".
I'm guessing that there are subscritpion artifacts added to the database which need to be removed before it can be configured as a new publisher.
Please help,
Jez W
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Jun 4, 2007
I am using SQL 2005 merge replication with SP1 hotfix build 9.00.2227.00. This build is in use rather than SP2 because a fix I need is not yet available for SP2
Essentially the problem is as follows:
1) Initial state is that merge replication of table and views is working fine
2) I then alter one view which references a new view in the same publication
3) Synchronization processes the view scripts in the wrong order regardless of the processing order
4) An 'invalid object name' error results as the new view has not arrived at the subscriber when alteration of the first view is attempted
The number suffixes on the script filenames in the snapshot folder do, however,appear to be numbered correctly so as to process in the correct order
Note that I have tried using the default processing order and have also set the processing order explicitly using sp_changemergearticle - but the problem still occurs
I have tried to recreate this problem on a small database with a minimum of articles, but attempts at repro have failed to date with a simple configuration - ie the processing order applied is correct
Is there an known problem in this area?
Any suggestions would be much appreciated
aero1
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Mar 2, 2007
Hi there,
I have an RMO application and I would like to force the processing order of the articles. I can see in the documentation how to do this for a topology managed by sql stored procedures but I can't see how / where it says in BOL how to do this in RMO.
I am pretty new to RMO and c# generally so please excuse me if I am just being thick!
Cheers,
James
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May 4, 2007
Hello,
I'm working on a replication topology that is completely merge. We have a single consolidated instance (SQL 2005 SP1 Standard) that holds all data and is a continuous push merge publication filtered by region to regional instances (SQL 2005 SP1 Standard). Then we have individual user instances (SQL Express SP1) that pulls from the republished regional instances which is filtered by user. Both publications have Replicate Schema Changes set to true.
I'm testing out changes to tables and sps on a test system I've been using this process:
1-Run Snapshot on the Consolidated instance
2-Verify all published articles have a status of 2 in sysmergearticles
3-Run Regional Snapshot
4-Verify all published articles have a status of 2 in sysmergearticles
5-Run alter table scripts
6-Once all three levels have the table changes, run the alter sp scripts
I've gotten to step 5 and and the changes get replicated to the regional instance just fine however only the existing column changes get replicated to the SQLExpress instance, not the new columns. Looking at the articles in the regional publication it shows the new columns, but they are not selected. I know I can manually select them (or probably write a script that adds them to the publication although sp_repladdcolumn has been depreciated), but isn't there a way to make this a completely automated process since it's just a republished database? Also is the process I'm using the correct one?
Thank you,
Aaron Lowe
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When I try to process this data mining model, I get Process failed: "Errors in the OLAP storage engine: The sort order specified for distinct count records is incorrect".
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Apr 17, 2007
Hello
I've got the following problem: Our product is delivered with SQL2000 and SQL2005.
Now, there are some schema changes, which I'd like to deploy with T-SQL on the publishers. With SQL2000 I do it with the sp_addmergecolumn etc and on SQL 2005 (if replication compatibility level is 90) with replication of DDL. So far so good.
But how can my T-SQL Script determine, wether the replication of DDL is on? I know there exists sp_helpmergepublication, but how do I get the column replicate_ddl of the result-set?
thanks for your advices.
Aline
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