SQL 2000 Orphaned Connections
May 24, 2007
We have 4 sql servers which service 4 load balanced web servers (with sticky sessions) and we recently brought one of the four SQL servers online.
In the last week the new SQL Server 2000 Standard (SP4) has been exhibing orphaned connections and attempts to use invalid connections out of the connection pool on the app servers. This manifests itself in General network Errors and Timeouts (when the sql is not really doing much other than simple table requests).
Does anyone have any experience in what might be causing this on a new server. I've asked our networking people to verify that the network routing and firewall are set the same as the other three servers. The application is the same acrossed all of the app servers so I've ruled out any issues with the application not closing connections.
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Jan 15, 2002
On SQL 6.5 we have had a couple of instances recently where an orphan connection cannot be killed and the only way to get rid of it is to stop and start the service. Does anyone know of any other way to get rid of that orphan connection?
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Jan 8, 2008
I am not sure if this is actually a sql connection I didn't dispose of.The database the app use is franchise_search, login testHere are the results of sp_who before I start the web server and run the page1 0 background sa 0 NULL RESOURCE MONITOR 02 0 background sa 0 NULL LAZY WRITER 03 0 suspended sa 0 NULL LOG WRITER 04 0 background sa 0 NULL LOCK MONITOR 05 0 background sa 0 master SIGNAL HANDLER 06 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 07 0 background sa 0 master TRACE QUEUE TASK 08 0 sleeping sa 0 NULL UNKNOWN TOKEN 09 0 background sa 0 master BRKR TASK 010 0 background sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 011 0 suspended sa 0 master CHECKPOINT 012 0 background sa 0 master BRKR EVENT HNDLR 013 0 background sa 0 master BRKR TASK 014 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 015 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 016 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 017 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 018 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 020 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 022 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 024 0 sleeping sa 0 master TASK MANAGER 051 0 sleeping NT AUTHORITYSYSTEM HPDEV 0 msdb AWAITING COMMAND 052 0 sleeping sa HPDEV 0 ReportServer AWAITING COMMAND 053 0 sleeping sa HPDEV 0 master AWAITING COMMAND 054 0 sleeping sa HPDEV 0 ReportServer AWAITING COMMAND 055 0 runnable sa HPDEV 0 master SELECT 0 then I run the page and all I do is using (m_sqlConn = new SqlConnection(m_strSQLConnect)) { m_sqlConn.Open(); //Log_History(); //FillCompany_DropDown(); //m_sqlConn.Open(); //BuildCategoies(); }I open the connection never use it and return the using should close the connection.But after I close the page sp_who add the line56 0 sleeping test HPDEV 0 Franchise_Search AWAITING COMMAND 0Is this connection pooling or am I missing something?No other app or anything can use the test connection I just made it and changed the password. Jon
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HELP!!!!! HELP!!!!!
SQL Server ODBC connections to virtual server that has SQL Server 2k comes back with a 'Specified SQL Server does not exist'. Can telnet to the server, can ping it as well. THe node is up and running, another virtual instance running from the same node is fine.
What could be the issue here?????
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Jan 31, 2008
I am experiencing a strange problem on a new installation of SQL Server 2000, installed on Windows 2003 server. SQL server has been service packed to SP3a
The users connect to the SQL database via an MS Access project front end, when they log out of the front end the SQL server still show them as connected in Management > Current activity > process info. I can kill the processes left behind but i am confused as to why this is happening.
The database was recently moved from an SQL installation on a Windows 2000 server to this new Windows 2003 server, the problem didnt occur on the old server and no upgrades have been applied to the database or the front end since the move, which makes me think something is not right about the install.
Any advice would be gratefully received
Thanks
Nick
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Oct 4, 2007
Hi guys
Apologies if this is the wrong place to be posting this but I have posted on a few forums and have not had any usable answers to this question, so I am hoping you guys will be able to help me.
I have 2 servers that are on the same domain. My ASP.NET application is running off the first which has .NET 2.0 installed, and I have an SQL Server 2000 db on the other. Whenever I try to connect I get the following error:An error has occurred while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to SQL Server 2005, this failure may be caused by the fact that under the default settings SQL Server does not allow remote connections. (provider: Named Pipes Provider, error: 40 - Could not open a connection to SQL Server)
The connection works when I run the project in VS Development Server on my work computer, but as soon as I upload to the server I get this error.
I have scoured Google but all of the sites I come across are for SQL Server 2005 and are just not suitable for solving the issue on 2000.
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I cannot continue my current project until this issue is resolved.
Hermiod
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Aug 25, 2006
Hello,
My question is about allowing and securing connections to SQL Server 2000 over the internet. The company that I work for has an application server that several of our clients connect to via the internet using secure .NET remoting. Basically, the clients have a desktop application that they run that creates a remoting connection to our server software and we handle the server/database part. Anyway, one of our clients now wants to use Crystal Reports to run ad hoc queries on their data that is hosted on our SQL 2000 database server behind our firewall. Obviously, opening up a port in our firewall and allowing someone to run ad hoc queries on the database makes us all more than a little nervous about security.
Has anyone else here had to deal with this sort of situation before? We'd like to set up a secure, encrypted connection for this one client, but still keep it locked down for everyone else. Is it as simple as enabling encryption and generating SSL certificates for the client machine and our server? I've only been able to find a few resources that help with bits and pieces of the problem, never anything tackling the issue as a whole. If anyone has any thoughts, experiences, links, etc. to share it would be greatly appreciated. We are a small company and no one here has experience with this sort of thing.
Cheers!
Justin
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Sep 26, 2007
I have a Microsoft Cluster running on Server 2003 Entrprise. SQL 2000 8.00.2039 (SP4). 5gb physical memory installed.
With the databases online we run a test failover from the Cluster administrator. It takes about 30-40 seconds and completes without generating any Server Event log errors nor SQL log errors. Everything looks good from an administrative stand point.
However, when we test with running a series of queries to the databases, then failover, we notice that it can take up to 3 or 4 minutes before some of the databases will respond. Connections are not refused, they just sit there.
How can we troubleshoot this or does anyone have a similiar experience with this scenario?
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Jan 14, 2000
As I do analysis on a database I am finding multiple clustered indexes defined on a single table.
I know this is not possible since SQL Server only allows one clustered index per table.
With more research I found these suspected clustered indexes have a corresponding row in
sysindexes but without a correlating id match in either sysobjects or syscolumns.
Is this orphaning of indexes common and what is a recommended solution.
Thanks,
Randy Garland
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I have a .mdf file that I would like to restore. However the log file has been destroyed. Is there any way to restore just an .mdf file?
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Feb 4, 2002
/*************************************************************************************
This procedure should be created in the Master database. This procedure takes no
parameters. It will remap orphaned users in the current database to EXISTING logins
of the same name. This is usefull in the case a new database is created by restoring
a backup to a new database, or by attaching the datafiles to a new server.
*************************************************************************************/
IF OBJECT_ID('dbo.sp_fixusers') IS NOT NULL
BEGIN
DROP PROCEDURE dbo.sp_fixusers
IF OBJECT_ID('dbo.sp_fixusers') IS NOT NULL
PRINT '<<< FAILED DROPPING PROCEDURE dbo.sp_fixusers >>>'
ELSE
PRINT '<<< DROPPED PROCEDURE dbo.sp_fixusers >>>'
END
GO
CREATE PROCEDURE dbo.sp_fixusers
AS
BEGIN
DECLARE @username varchar(25)
DECLARE fixusers CURSOR
FOR
SELECT UserName = name FROM sysusers
WHERE issqluser = 1 and (sid is not null and sid <> 0x0)
and suser_sname(sid) is null
ORDER BY name
OPEN fixusers
FETCH NEXT FROM fixusers
INTO @username
WHILE @@FETCH_STATUS = 0
BEGIN
EXEC sp_change_users_login 'update_one', @username, @username
FETCH NEXT FROM fixusers
INTO @username
END
CLOSE fixusers
DEALLOCATE fixusers
END
go
IF OBJECT_ID('dbo.sp_fixusers') IS NOT NULL
PRINT '<<< CREATED PROCEDURE dbo.sp_fixusers >>>'
ELSE
PRINT '<<< FAILED CREATING PROCEDURE dbo.sp_fixusers >>>'
go
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Mar 10, 2004
I am trying to find records that are orphaned in a data base after thier parent record (in another table) has been deleted.
Something happened to the constraints and I had no idea until now this had happened.
I have the faint rustle of a query in query sort of thing but my knowledge needs expansion.
PS: sorry for the cross post - just noticed that I was in the wrong forum before.
Thanks,
Matt
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Mar 17, 2004
Had to rename a SQL 2000 box and now the scheduled maint jobs that were created under the previous name of the box cannot be deleted via EM. Can anyone offer help?
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Mar 10, 2008
so i'm having a bit of a bad day today
i have an app that starts a transaction (some deletes, etc...)
in the middle of this transaction the connection drops (say we pull out our network cable) but this will leave the transaction still running and it will be orphaned.
i know i can kill them in sql server, but what i'm looking for this to somehow not happen at all.
I tried SET XACT_ABORT ON but no luck.
Is what i need even possible?
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Causing trouble since 1980
blog: http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/mladenp
SSMS Add-in that does a few things: www.ssmstoolspack.com
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May 29, 2006
Hi there!
There is still a problem with mirrored (mapped) SQL Users. If you mirror a database where an application connects with an sql user, the mapping (login / user) will be lost on the mirror server. After a failover occurs, it it not possible to log onto the new principal database because the database use will be an orphaned user and has to be remapped to the login (using sp_change_users_login 'update_one', 'user', 'user').
Is there any chance to do it in a system trigger? What is the firing event after the failover occurs? I've tried something like following, but it doesn't fire.
alter TRIGGER map_orphaned_users
ON ALL SERVER
FOR ALTER_DATABASE
AS
execute sp_change_users_login 'update_one', 'easyris_41', 'easyris_41';
Someone an idea how to automate these usermapping after failover on the (new) principal server?
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Nov 20, 2006
Hi there,
I€™ve recently set-up database mirroring between two servers in the same domain: DMZSQL01 and DMZSQL02 with a witness of DMZSQL03.
The mirroring as all gone according to plan.
Set up all the users/databases on the Mirror (DMZSQL02) and then do a back-up/restore to sync the databases and then enable the mirroring, this has all gone fine and we have lots of synchronised/mirrored databases now. However, if I do a failover the logins on the mirror are not valid, they are in SQL Server and also the database but they don€™t work. I€™ve read through other posts and found links to this SQL Server article:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918992/
This has had no effect though. Do I need to remove everything off my mirror and start again setting up the users first and then doing a backup/restore or is there some other way. Both servers are reporting the SID€™s are the same for the logins which do not work. However the principle_ID is different, I'm quite sure if this is a problem or not??
Can anyone point me in the right direction of what to do next? Or have any ideas.
Thanks
Ed
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Jul 21, 2000
Hi,
Looking through the archives, I didn't see any articles that specifically addressed the problem, so here it is:
SQL 7.0, NT4SP6, 2G ram, 4x
I've got a user process as follows:
Status: ROLLBACK
Command: SELECT
Application: Enterprise Manager
Wait Type: EXCHANGE
Login time: 06/25/00 4:07:05AM
Last batch: 06/25/00 4:07:20 AM
The last TSQL command batch is a correlated subquery with grouping...
Apparently it hung and the user quit ungracefully.
No other processes are blocking it, but periodically it blocks other processes, including some index maintenance I need to perform.
I have tried to kill it with Enterprise Manager and with the KILL [id] command. Neither have worked.
Mgmt is reluctant to bounce the database, as am I.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance!
--Nassif
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Dec 29, 1999
I am copying a database to an alternate server by restoring a full backup onto the new server. However, whether I create the logins prior to the restoration or not the user accounts in the database no longer map to logins in the master.
Unfortunately it is not simply a case of dropping the acounts as they own objects in the database.
My best solution to date has been to use the sp_addalias to alias logins of the same name to the original user. However this is a far from ideal situation as one cannot readily tell that the logins are aliased and there must be an additional overhead in doing this.
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Dec 9, 2002
I seem to have an orphaned Distribution Agent. There is no associated Publication and the agent is sending errors. The errors would be legitimate if only I had an associated publication. I also do not have an associated Snapshot Agent.
How can I get rid of this bogus agent? I already deleted the associated job and rebooted SQL and SQLAgent but it still persists.
Any help would be appreciated.
Colleen
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Am I right? Or is there a way of attaching it that doesn't require it to have been detached?
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Dec 30, 2014
All is happened when a server crashed some weeks ago and it was removed from my network. After that, under my SQL Server 2012 I get an orphaned account which cannot be removed. This account is a computer account related to an old SCOM installation.
If I try to execute the command DROP USER [NETWORKSERVERNAME$] I get the following error message:
The database principal has granted or denied permissions to objects in the database and cannot be dropped. Msg 15284, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
The database principal has granted or denied permissions to objects in the database and cannot be dropped.But if I run the following command to know all permission granted to the account, I get an empty result:
select * from sys.database_permissions where grantee_principal_id = user_id ('NetworkSERVERNAME$');
Furthermore, following the instructions provided by the official KB for troubleshooting orphaned users, I get another error [URL].
sp_change_users_login 'update_one', 'NetworkSERVERNAME$', 'NetworkSERVERNAME$'
Msg 15291, Level 16, State 1, Procedure sp_change_users_login, Line 114
Terminating this procedure. The User name 'NetworkSERVERNAME$' is absent or invalid.
The only thing I can retrieve is 15 permissions that this account granted to another account in the past:
select *
from sys.database_permissions
where grantor_principal_id = user_id ('NetworkSERVERNAME$'
--
class class_desc major_id minor_id grantee_principal_id grantor_principal_id type permission_name state state_desc
17 SERVICE 65538 0 5 19 SN SEND G GRANT
And more 14 rows…
resolve my issue and safe delete the account SERVERNAME$? I need this because I have to reinstall SCOM with the same computer name on another server, but installation fails due to this behavior.
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Dec 10, 2007
Hi,
I really don't know how frowned upon my approach is here, but it was the only way I have been able I've been able to do it.
On my application, when users delete their account, it sometimes brings the db server to a COMPLETE crawl. The reason is some users who delete have many years of related data, and when the data deletes with them, its very slow.
To avoid this I've taken off many contstraints, and I do have some sprocs that deleted orphaned data at night.
thoughts on this approach ?
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May 1, 2007
Hi
Wanting to know how do you detect and kill orphaned spid in SQL Server left behind by an XML service which was not completed normally. The client requests an XML service which open a connection, and due to network problem the client did not manage to call the another service which suppose to end the connection. Thus leaving behind in SQL Server orphaned spid which continue to hold locks. This created problem when the next user wants to access the resource.
The simplest way is to get all spid which are holding locks for more than a certan period and kill them. Is there a better way to actually detect orphaned spid?
Help much appreciated.
regards
benc
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Aug 19, 2007
Hi,
I've restored my database from backup on another SQL 2005 server and can't login, could you tell me what is the best way to repair this on SQL 2005, please
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Regards,
anxcomp
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We are experiencing a situation where the SRS (2000 SP2) report server will no longer render reports. In the log file, there are many instances of
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What could be causing this? The reports are making queries through an OLE DB provider. There are no scheduled jobs, and the load doesn't seem that heavy.
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I am attempting to drop a database (sales), however I receive this message: Error 3274 is "Cannot drop the database 'sales' because it is published for replication." Yet, I no longer have any publications in this database. It seems that there is some orphaned information related to a publication that existed. Any help would be great.
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We are runnning on SQL Server 2012 SP1 + CU9.
I have found some articles with no publication in our transactional replication.
For example, running this:
select p.publication,
a.publication_id,
a.article
from dbo.MSArticles as a
left outer join dbo.MSpublications as p
on a.publication_id = p.publication_id
shows this:
NULL1org_Community
NULL3org_Community
Purchasing to EDW5org_Community
NULL1org_Division
NULL3org_Division
Purchasing to EDW5org_Division
How can I get rid of the articles that are not part of a publication?
I can't use sp_droparticle because it requires a publication which these articles do not have.
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how to find the orphaned value from the below parent/child hierarchy Table.
create table dbo.Hier(parent varchar(100), child varchar(100))
insert into Hier
select 'subramanium','Manickam' union all
select 'subramanium','Munuswamy' union all
select 'Munuswamy','senthil' union all
select 'Munuswamy','sasi' union all
select 'Munuswamy','uma' union all
select 'manickam','vijay' union all
select 'manickam','bhavani' union all
select 'manickam','dhanam' union all
select 'uma','varsha'
Delete from Hier where child='uma'
I tried:
select parent from Hier
where parent not in(select Child from Hier)
and parent <> 'subramanium'
Getting resultset as:
parent
======
uma
I need to know whether my select statement is correct or not,if its correct,how to write the same in CTE?
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Aug 24, 2006
I guess this is a fairly common topic but couldn't find the right words to find anything in a search.
What I'm getting at, is there any tsql functions or combination of commands for the following.
You have identity columns in your tables, if you set the a seed and autoincrement, I enter in rows 1 -10 and then I delete 4, 6, 7, 8.
My next new record uses 11. Is there any logic that allows you to check and reuse 4, 6, 7 & 8 described above? Not looking for something that consists of having to create an extra ID table for each table and handle configuring what the next available number is everytime an Insert or delete is called.
Thanks.
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What are the maximum number of user connections achievable for sql server 2000 (w/ win 2000 adv server), and how are they managed - compared with sql server 7.0 (w/ win nt 4.0)? Our group is looking at upgrading our dbase server from sql server 7.0 to sql server 2000.
HELP
Thanks in advance
Gunnar
gunnardl@yahoo.com
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May 17, 2005
Hi there,
Here we have got a
asp.net application that was developed when database was
sitting on SQL server 6.5. Now client has moved all of their databases
to SQL server 2000. When the database was on 6.5 the previous
development team has used oledb connections all over. As the databases
have been moved to SQL server 2000 now i am in process of changing the
database connection part. As part of the process i have a login
authorization code.
Private Function Authenticate(ByVal username As String, ByVal password As String, ByRef results As NorisSetupLib.AuthorizationResult) As Boolean
Dim conn As IDbConnection = GetConnection()
Try
Dim cmd As IDbCommand = conn.CreateCommand()
Dim sql As String = "EDSConfirmUpdate" '"EDSConfirmUpdate""PswdConfirmation"
'Dim cmd As SqlCommand = New SqlCommand("sql", conn)
cmd.CommandText = sql
cmd.CommandType = CommandType.StoredProcedure
NorisHelpers.DBHelpers.AddParam(cmd, "@logon", username)
NorisHelpers.DBHelpers.AddParam(cmd, "@password", password)
conn.Open()
'Get string for return values
Dim ReturnValue As String = cmd.ExecuteScalar.ToString
'Split string into array
Dim Values() As String = ReturnValue.Split(";~".ToCharArray)
'If the return code is CONTINUE, all is well. Otherwise, collect the
'reason why the result failed and let the user know
If Values(0) = "CONTINUE" Then
Return True
Else
results.Result = Values(0)
'Make sure there is a message being returned
If Values.Length > 1 Then
results.Message = Values(2)
End If
Return False
End If
Catch ex As Exception
Throw ex
Finally
If (Not conn Is Nothing AndAlso conn.State = ConnectionState.Open) Then
conn.Close()
End If
End Try
End Function
''' -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
''' <summary>
''' Getting the Connection from the config file
''' </summary>
''' <returns>A connection object</returns>
''' <remarks>
''' This is the same for all of the data classes.
''' Reads a specific
connection string from the web.config file for the service, creates a
connection object and returns it as an IDbConnection.
''' </remarks>
''' -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Private Function GetConnection() As IDbConnection
'Dim conn As IDbConnection = New System.Data.OleDb.OleDbConnection
Dim conn As IDbConnection = New System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection
conn.ConnectionString = NorisHelpers.DBHelpers.GetConnectionString(NorisHelpers.DBHelpers.COMMON)
Return conn
End Function
in the above GetConnection() method i
have commented out the .net dataprovider for oledb and changed it to
.net dataprovider for SQLconnection. this function works fine. But in
the authenticate method above at the line
Dim ReturnValue As String = cmd.ExecuteScalar.ToString
for some reason its throwing the below error.
Run-time exception thrown : System.Data.SqlClient.SqlException - @password is not a parameter for procedure EDSConfirmUpdate.
If i comment out the
Dim conn As IDbConnection = New System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection
and uncomment the .net oledb provider,
Dim conn As IDbConnection = New System.Data.OleDb.OleDbConnection
then it works fine.
I also have changed the webconfig file as below.
<!--<add
key="Common" value='User ID=**secret**;pwd=**secret**;Data
Source="ESMALLDB2K";Initial Catalog=cj_common;Auto
Translate=True;Persist Security Info=False;Provider="SQLOLEDB.1";'
/>-->
<add key="Common" value='User ID=**secret**;pwd=**secret**;Data Source="ESMALLDB2K";Initial Catalog=cj_common;' />
Please help. Thanks in advance.
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Jul 20, 2005
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Dec 27, 2007
Hi I have some simple questions of for MS SQL. Say I have a database with a table Called Company. In this table I have Employee's with these columns(EmployeeID<PK>, FirstName, LastName) Now I am inserting some data like this.EmployeeID FirstName, LastName------------------------------------------------------- 1 Bob Smith2 Joe Mitter Now Say I have this situation(this will look weird for this example but for another examples and the stuff I am working on it make sense). Say I have a new Employee Called Jessica White. Jessica must be the second record. So I need to insert it between the 1st and 2nd record. Like I said I am very noob at doing this stuff so I am not sure how I would do it. I first was going to my table and then went to modify. This brought up a blank grid with all my column names. I then started to add all my data in. I found out later to make my life easier I need to enter in certain spots null rows in it to help with formating(otherwise I would have had to figure out a way to do make null rows with c# code). I then went back to this grid and I tried to add a record before the data just like you if you used excel. I quickly found out you can not do that. This resulted me having to recreate the table and reput the all the data back in(this told me I was doing something very very wrong). I was then thinking of writing it with a query and I been playing around with it and still running into problems like say I had a table called test with a coloum called id<PK> and testss(yes bad names just playing around though).So if I did something like this:INSERT INTO testVALUES(2)INSERT INTO testVALUES(1)SELECT * FROM testNow I am trying to figure out how to insert something between rows 1 and 2. Would I have to drop the table or delete all the data and then run a saved copy of my script with the added change or what?My second question is what is a good site that has examples of all the commands(I don't want to read a book on it I have had a oracle sql course and well it was just boring and I did not learn too much.). I think the best way for me to learn is just continue doing my site and picking it up on the file and when I got a problem read about it and ask on the forums. Thanks
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