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Jun 10, 2006

Hi MVPS/MS Experts:

Pardon me and my ignorance for asking this question. I just want to understand the backup architecture more clearly. According to BOL (both in SQL 2k and SQL 2k5) in simple recovery mode trasaction log backup is not possible since the log is truncated on checkpoint which is true. Also we know that FULL backup backups both the db and transaction log as well.

My question is what happens when a database is in simple recovery mode and a full backup is done. since the tran log cannot be backed up does only the db backup is done when a full backup is done?. What exactly happens behind the scenarios?. Is it that only the active log gets backed up when a full backup is done in simple recovery mode?. I am trying to understand how a full backup in simple recovery mode behaves without contradicting the full backup architecture and that the veracity of the statement (both db and tran log backup in full backup mode) holds true for a simple recovery scenario.

MVPs/ MS Experts if you could Please explain it in detail, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks

Ankith

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NEW COMPONENT OUTPUT
Microsoft(R) Server Maintenance Utility (Unicode) Version 9.0.3042
Report was generated on "ICIS-SQL-SERVER".
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Back Up Database (Transaction Log) (ICIS-SQL-SERVER)
Backup Database on Target server connection
Databases that have a compatibility level of 70 (SQL Server version 7.0) will be skipped.
Databases: All user databases
Type: Transaction Log
Append existing
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Task end: 2007-03-10T05:08:09.
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Command:BACKUP LOG [hl7 db_SamirTesting] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackuphl7 db_SamirTestinghl7 db_SamirTesting_backup_200703100508.trn'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''hl7 db_SamirTesting_backup_20070310050809'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
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BACKUP LOG [dg_efilm_153] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackupdg_efilm_153dg_efilm_153_backup_200703100508.trn'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''dg_efilm_153_backup_20070310050809'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
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Back Up Database (Transaction Log) (ICIS-SQL-SERVER)
Backup Database on Target server connection
Databases that have a compatibility level of 70 (SQL Server version 7.0) will be skipped.
Databases: All user databases
Type: Transaction Log
Append existing
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Task end: 2007-03-10T05:08:09.
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" failed with the following error: "The statement BACKUP LOG is not allowed while the recovery model is SIMPLE. Use BACKUP DATABASE or change the recovery model using ALTER DATABASE.
BACKUP LOG is terminating abnormally.". Possible failure reasons: Problems with the query, "ResultSet" property not set correctly, parameters not set correctly, or connection not established correctly.

Command:BACKUP LOG [hl7 db_SamirTesting] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackuphl7 db_SamirTestinghl7 db_SamirTesting_backup_200703100508.trn'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''hl7 db_SamirTesting_backup_20070310050809'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
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GO
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Back Up Database (Transaction Log) (ICIS-SQL-SERVER)
Backup Database on Target server connection
Databases that have a compatibility level of 70 (SQL Server version 7.0) will be skipped.
Databases: All user databases
Type: Transaction Log
Append existing
Task start: 2007-03-10T05:08:09.
Task end: 2007-03-10T05:08:09.
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" failed with the following error: "The statement BACKUP LOG is not allowed while the recovery model is SIMPLE. Use BACKUP DATABASE or change the recovery model using ALTER DATABASE.
BACKUP LOG is terminating abnormally.". Possible failure reasons: Problems with the query, "ResultSet" property not set correctly, parameters not set correctly, or connection not established correctly.

Command:BACKUP LOG [hl7 db_SamirTesting] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackuphl7 db_SamirTestinghl7 db_SamirTesting_backup_200703100508.trn'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''hl7 db_SamirTesting_backup_20070310050809'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
BACKUP LOG [dg_efilm_153] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackupdg_efilm_153dg_efilm_153_backup_200703100508.trn'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''dg_efilm_153_backup_20070310050809'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
BACKUP LOG [hl7 db] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackuphl7 dbhl7 db_backup_200703100508.trn'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''hl7 db_backup_20070310050809'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10


Back Up Database (Transaction Log) (ICIS-SQL-SERVER)
Backup Database on Target server connection
Databases that have a compatibility level of 70 (SQL Server version 7.0) will be skipped.
Databases: All user databases
Type: Transaction Log
Append existing
Task start: 2007-03-10T05:08:08.
Task end: 2007-03-10T05:08:09.
Failed:(0) Database 'hl7 db_SamirTesting' will not be backed up because it does not have its recovery model set to Full or BulkLogged.

Back Up Database (Transaction Log) (ICIS-SQL-SERVER)
Backup Database on Target server connection
Databases that have a compatibility level of 70 (SQL Server version 7.0) will be skipped.
Databases: All user databases
Type: Transaction Log
Append existing
Task start: 2007-03-10T05:08:08.
Task end: 2007-03-10T05:08:09.
Failed:(0) Database 'dg_efilm_153' will not be backed up because it does not have its recovery model set to Full or BulkLogged.

Back Up Database (Transaction Log) (ICIS-SQL-SERVER)
Backup Database on Target server connection
Databases that have a compatibility level of 70 (SQL Server version 7.0) will be skipped.
Databases: All user databases
Type: Transaction Log
Append existing
Task start: 2007-03-10T05:08:08.
Task end: 2007-03-10T05:08:09.
Failed:(0) Database 'hl7 db' will not be backed up because it does not have its recovery model set to Full or BulkLogged.

Back Up Database (Full) (ICIS-SQL-SERVER)
Backup Database on Target server connection
Databases that have a compatibility level of 70 (SQL Server version 7.0) will be skipped.
Databases: All databases
Type: Full
Append existing
Task start: 2007-03-10T05:00:06.
Task end: 2007-03-10T05:08:08.
Success
Command:EXECUTE master.dbo.xp_create_subdir N''D:mssqlackupmaster''
GO
EXECUTE master.dbo.xp_create_subdir N''D:mssqlackupmodel''
GO
EXECUTE master.dbo.xp_create_subdir N''D:mssqlackupmsdb''
GO
EXECUTE master.dbo.xp_create_subdir N''D:mssqlackuphl7 db_SamirTesting''
GO
EXECUTE master.dbo.xp_create_subdir N''D:mssqlackupdg_efilm_153''
GO
EXECUTE master.dbo.xp_create_subdir N''D:mssqlackuphl7 db''
GO
BACKUP DATABASE [master] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackupmastermaster_backup_200703100500.bak'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''master_backup_20070310050006'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
BACKUP DATABASE [model] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackupmodelmodel_backup_200703100500.bak'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''model_backup_20070310050006'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
BACKUP DATABASE [msdb] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackupmsdbmsdb_backup_200703100500.bak'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''msdb_backup_20070310050006'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
BACKUP DATABASE [hl7 db_SamirTesting] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackuphl7 db_SamirTestinghl7 db_SamirTesting_backup_200703100500.bak'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''hl7 db_SamirTesting_backup_20070310050006'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
BACKUP DATABASE [dg_efilm_153] TO DISK = N''D:mssqlackupdg_efilm_153dg_efilm_153_backup_200703100500.bak'' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N''dg_efilm_153_backup_20070310050006'', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
GO
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On Wednesday afternoon, a programmer ran a process that corrupted the db and I had to restore to the most recent differential. It was 5pm in the afternoon and a differential backup had just occured at 4pm. No problem, I figured.

I restored the full backup from Monday morning and tried to restore the most recent differential backup. The differential restore failed. Since I had used T-SQL for the initial attempt, I tried using Enterprise Manager to try again.

When viewing the backup history, I see my initial full backup taken on Monday plus all the differentials. BUT, on closer inspection, I noticed another full backup in the backup history that was taken early Tuesday morning. I can't figure out where this Tuesday morning full backup came from. It wasn't taken by me (or scheduled by me) and I'm the only one with access to the server. My full backups are usually named something like HCMPRP_20070718_FULL.bak. This erroneous full backup was named something like HCMPRP_03a_361adk2k_dd53.bak. It seemed like it was a system generated name. Not something I would choose. To top it off, I could not find this backup file anywhere on the server and when I tried to restore using this full backup, it failed.

Does anyone have any clues as to where this full backup might come from? Does SQL Server trigger a full backup on its own if some threshold is reached?

I ended up having to restore using the differential taken just before this erroneous full backup and lost a day of transactions.

Any insight is greatly appreciated.

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