Tran Log Backups Fail 40 Minutes After The Differential Backup.
Jul 14, 2006
Running SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition.
Database is in Full Recovery mode.
I have full backups scheduled weekly, differentails scheduled daily and tran log ackups scheduled for every 15 minutes.
The tran log backups only work for the first 40 minutes or so after the daily backup. Once the daily has occured, the tran backups will work again, but for only 40 minutes.
I run consistency checks on the db daily and there are no errors.
The error returned from the tran log backup is 'BACKUP LOG cannot be performed because there is no current database backup'
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Feb 19, 2015
Using Ola Hallengren's scripts I do a full backup of a database on a Sunday. Then differential backups every 6 hours and log backups every hour. I would like to keep a full week of backups based off the full backup done on Sunday. Is there a way for me to clear out the diff and log folders after the successful full backup on Sunday nights?
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Aug 17, 2007
I have done a full backup on 3pm, and a differential backup on everyday 5pm.
I try to restore it back in my testing server and i encounter the problem in restoring the File3 and i try to restore the File 2 and it is okie. Can i know wat is the problem usually cause this error? Thank you
File 1: Full Backup
File 2: Differential Backup
File 3: Differential Backup
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Oct 19, 2000
What is the advantage of taking frequent tran log backups (say every 30mins) as opposed to once a day? Say, I backup data and tran log once every night and I lost a table at 10:00am next day. Can't I recover the database to the point in time by restoring the previous night's backup and then applying the transaction log from previous night and then applying the transaction log (to the point int time) that you just dumped when the mishap was reported to you?
Thanks
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Mar 16, 2001
Hi All,
Is there a way to suppress or re-direct the messages that result from a tran. log dump? We're running a tran. log dump every 15 minutes in prod. and the errorlog is really cumbersome to look at.
(In another RDBMS I worked with all backup messages went to a separate error/message log.)
TIA!
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May 2, 2002
I know that the differential backup will only back up information that was changed since the last full database backup, but I have process that I need to implement and need to know if differentials will work.
1. Perform full database backup on Sunday.
2. Perform differential backups Monday thru Friday (twice a day).
3. Perform a database restore on the following Sunday from the backup taken on the previous Sunday.
4. Perform differential backups Monday thru Friday.
At this point I would repeat steps 3 and 4 for the following weeks.
My question is this. Since I didn't actually perform a backup in step 3, but instead performed a database restore, will the differential backup in step 4 backup all of the information changed since step 1??..or will it backup all of the information changed since the restore in step 3? I'm hoping it will only back up the information changed since step 3.
Thanks!
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Jun 25, 2002
I perform a full database backup at night with a differential backup at noon each day. I created 2 devices to do this. Northwind (for full backups) and northwind_diff (for diff backups).
When the differential is run, it appends each day's noon backup to the northwind_diff file so the file doesn't really reflect only changes - it just keeps growing and growing. I'm using the following syntax to perform the diff backup.
backup database northwind to northwind_diff with differential
Is there a way to initilize the backup device(file) prior to the differential backup being done?
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Jul 23, 2001
Hello
I am using SQL 7 database maintenance plans to create full backups for all the databases on my server every night which expire after 7 days, and transaction log backups every hour on some of the databases which also expire after 7 days.
I want to add differential backups but the maintenance plan doesn't allow me to add those. How do I add them, and what naming conventions should I use? I want them to expire after 7 days, but want to backup every 4 hours.
Thanks
Steve.
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Aug 27, 2001
Hi, I would like to do the following;
Mon - Full Backup
Tue - Differential
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Aug 28, 2001
Hi, is anyone using differential backups? I would like to have separate differential backups but right now it keeps appending to one big differential backup. If they are separated the older backups can be deleted. How do you do this?
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Sep 12, 2001
I am setting up differential backups thru EM every 4 hours. I append to the existing file. Is there a way to tell it to delete the files older than 2 days thru EM. I looked at the job, there is now way to do this.
Thru Mainplans you can create differential backups, it doesn't show you the option..
Any clues will be appreciated.
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Sep 27, 2007
Hi Folks!
I did a few searches and found some interesting threads but was not able to understand much. :)
I recently jumped from support to a DBA position and am learning about SQL Server 2000.
My dilemma: We have a SQL 2000 server with about 500GB's worth of databases that has some jobs from the app locking up due to tape backups. I am performing Full nightly and 1/2hour transaction SQL backups. We run daily differential and weekly full tape backups. It is taking 14 hours to run tape backups daily, causing some of the application jobs to fail. So to test it, I stopped the tape job to run one night and none of the App jobs failed.
So, I am hoping that if I start running nightly differentials, weekly fulls, and 1/2 hour trans, it should work. However, I am not very familiar with Differential jobs as till today i have been using maintenance plans. :confused:
My ideal scenario is this: Differentials start on Sat morning and stop before the weekly backup runs on Friday and then delete the older file when starting a new one. Is this possible? how?
C= OS, D=Backup (Raid 0), G=Data (Raid 5), E=Logs(Raid5).
Any help would be appreciated, and obviously if I have missed some piece of information, please feel free to ask.
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Jan 11, 2002
Hi all
Can anybody explain why the size of a differential backup in SQL7 is MUCH higher than the one in SQL2000?
Do this test yourself: do a full backup of the pubs database in SQL7 , it will be around 1.5mb, do a differential backup, and it will be 2mb or 4mb.
If you do the same tests in SQL2000 the differential backup is around 200K.
thanks
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Jan 11, 2001
PLEASE HELP...
WE ARE DOWNLOADING THE BACKUP FILE FROM OTHER BRANCH OFFICE AND THE FILE SIZE IS GROWING LIKE HELL SO I AM CHANGING THE BACKUP POLICY TO DOWNLOAD THE DIFFERENTIAL BACKUP FILES EVERYDAY. BUT EVEN THE FILE SIZE GROWS DAY BY DAY UNTILL WE TAKE THE FULL BACKUP THERE. SO I WANT TO TAKE A DIIFERNETIAL BACKUP AND THEN IMMIDIATELY A FULL BACKUP AT THE REMOTE SERVER END. SO MY NEXT DIFFERNTIAL BACKUP WILL HAVE THE DATA OF ONLY PREVIOUS DAY.
FOR THIS I AM SCHEDULING A JOB WHICH FIRST TAKES A DIFFERENTIAL BACKUP AND THEN IMMIDIATELY FULL BACKUP EVERYDAY AT 12.00AM.
BUT I HAVE A CONCERN.. WHILE TAKING THE DIFFERENTIAL BACKUP ANY TRANSACTIONS THAT ARE TO BE COMMITED WILL NOT COMMIT UNTIL THE DIFFERENTIAL BACKUP COMPLETES. BUT IMMIDIATELY I AM STARTING FULL BACKUP. IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT A TRANSACTION GETTING COMMITTED IN BETWEEN THESE TWO STEPS. IF SO IS THERE ANY WAY .. NOT RELEASE THE DATABASE UNTILL THESE 2 BACKUPS ARE COMPLETED?? I AM RUNNING IT AS A JOB..
ANY SUGGESTION??
THANKS IN ADVANCE.. :-)
KUMAR
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Feb 14, 2002
I am trying to set up a process where a differential backup is taken daily and applied to another DB. For some reason I cannot get the diff backup to restore. The full DB backup restored fine.
Server: Msg 3136, Level 16, State 1, Line 4
Cannot apply the differential backup on device 'diff' to database 'test'.
Server: Msg 3013, Level 16, State 1, Line 4
Backup or restore operation terminating abnormally.
Any suggestions? Thanks!
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Oct 19, 2005
Our production backup schedule is, FULL backup once a month and a DIFFERENTIAL backup every day.
We are starting the FULL and DIFFERENTIAL backups using something similar to
FULL Backup
backup database @DB to disk = @BackupFile
DIFFERENTIAL backup
backup database @DB to disk = @BackupFile WITH DIFFERENTIAL
A full backup was done on 10/6 and the DB size was 48GB. Since then we have been doing DIFFERENTIAL backups. I recently looked at the DIFFERENTIAL backup directory and found something I think is interesting.
10/07/2005 04:00 AM 8,604,160 prodDB_Diff_200510070400.BAK
10/08/2005 04:00 AM 1,144,320 prodDB_Diff_200510080400.BAK
10/09/2005 04:00 AM 1,134,080 prodDB_Diff_200510090400.BAK
10/10/2005 04:00 AM 21,185,024 prodDB_Diff_200510100400.BAK
10/11/2005 04:00 AM 7,119,360 prodDB_Diff_200510110400.BAK
10/12/2005 04:00 AM 163,669,504 prodDB_Diff_200510120400.BAK
10/13/2005 04:00 AM 14,743,040 prodDB_Diff_200510130400.BAK
10/14/2005 04:00 AM 120,875,520 prodDB_Diff_200510140400.BAK
10/15/2005 04:00 AM 1,216,000 prodDB_Diff_200510150400.BAK
10/16/2005 04:00 AM 5,139,968 prodDB_Diff_200510160400.BAK
10/17/2005 04:00 AM 4,277,760 prodDB_Diff_200510170400.BAK
10/18/2005 04:00 AM 2,778,624 prodDB_Diff_200510180400.BAK
10/19/2005 04:01 AM 750,575,104 prodDB_Diff_200510190400.BAK
My understanding of DIFFERENTIAL backups from books online is
"Specifies the database or file backup should consist only of the portions of the database or file changed since the last full backup"
MY Question:
Assuming I am understanding this correctly, all DIFFERENTIAL backups are independent of one another. If a failure happens, all I have to do is restore the latest FULL backup and then
restore the latest DIFFERENTIAL backup.
So, I would think the sizes of the backup files should be in ASCENDING order. Why is the size of the backup file from 10/15/2005 (1,216,000 bytes) smaller than the backup file from 10/14/2005 (120,875,520 bytes).
Assuming a crash happens on 10/15 5AM, I would restore the full backup from 10/6 and then restore the DIFF. backup from 10/15 4AM (Which will apply approx.. 1,216,000 bytes of data). So where has the data in the backup file from 10/14/2005 gone (120,875,520 bytes)?
Thanks
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Mar 28, 2007
Does the full and differential backups have to be in the same location or can I do a once a week full backup on one drive and everyday differential backups on a different drive?
Thanks
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Feb 12, 2008
Hi,
On our SQL Server 2005 SP 2 i recently updated our Backup Plan.
I now make a Full backup every night, Differential backup every hour and Transaction log backup every 15 minutes.
This all works fine all the time except sometimes when the differential and transaction log backups want to run on the same time and then 1 of the 2 fails.
The error i get is code 0xC0010018. Error loading a task.
I made 1 Maintenance Plan with a subplan for each backup type (Full, differ....), so i can schedule them the way i want.
Searched the internet for an answer but i couldn't find it. The tasks only fail when the run simultaneous. Starting them manually always works.
Anybody has an idea what i need to do to get this working properly?
Thanks!!
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Oct 15, 2014
I am using Ola Hallegren's scripts to do backups. He uses @Cleanup Time to delete backups older than a certain number of hours. My situation is I do a full backup of a database on Sunday and then I have a few Differentials and then log backups for the rest of the week. When Sunday rolls around again and my full backup is finished, I would like to delete all the differential backups and log backups. Any way that I could accomplish this using Ola's scripts?
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Dec 7, 2007
Hello SQL Server 2005 SE sp1.
Unable to take differential or transaction log backups. Get the error message a full backup need to be down. Have done a full backup. Immediately upon completion of full have tried diff and transaction log. Still no luck
Other databases on server are fine. Full backup will restore.
Thanks,
Joe
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May 12, 2008
Hi sql server experts.
This is a beginners question.
Let's say, I run a full backup at 4:30 am it takes usually 35 minutes to finish.
I want to schedule a differential backup to run every hour.
Should I start this job at 5:10 after the full backup finishes? or it doesn't matter?
I am confused about timing.
Let's say my full back up takes 1 hour to finish, that means that when the differential backup runs the full backup will be still running, so in case I need to restore the database, can I use this differential from 5:10 or the differential from 6:10.
Same issue with the transactional, the job runs every 30 minutes, should I started after the differential is done?
I am so confused, what happens with the backups jobs that run while other backups are running?
Is this something that should never happen.
Please advise.
Thanks
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Jul 16, 2007
We have a SQL 2K5 10GB database that, as part of the recovery plan, gets a differential backup every six hours. Log file backups occur every hour, and a full backup is done every 24 hours. Over the weekend, the differential backup produced a 55GB backup file which caused us a lot of issues besides disk space usage (log backups couldnt finish, mirroring broke, etc.). This is also the max growth size that the log file is set to. There are no errors in the ERRORLOG, or in the job history. It's as if the backup was successful, which I assume it was, but the file was sparse.
I should mention that our full backup is typically 10GB, log file backups are typically 100 to 500MB, and the diff backup is generally 1GB to 3GB.
Has anyone experienced this issue before?
What causes it?
How do we resolve it?
Thank you in advance for your help,
Greg
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Aug 8, 2007
Hello,
I have MS SQL 2005 server with 300+ databases on it. The application is set up that way that it creates a new database as needed (dynamically). Do not ask me why - I hate this design... So, it can create 3-4 databases a day (random time).
I've scheduled full backup of all databases to run once at night, and it runs just fine. Besides that, I have scheduled tran logs backup of all databases to run every hour. This backup fails from time to time with the following error:
Executing the query "BACKUP LOG [survey_p0886464_test] TO DISK = N'D:\backups\log backups\survey_p0886464_test_backup_200708072300.trn' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N'survey_p0886464_test_backup_20070807230002', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
" failed with the following error: "BACKUP LOG cannot be performed because there is no current database backup.
BACKUP LOG is terminating abnormally.". Possible failure reasons: Problems with the query, "ResultSet" property not set correctly, parameters not set correctly, or connection not established correctly.
So, I think what happens is since my full backup of all databases are scheduled to run only once at night, and tran logs every hour, when new database is created during the day, there is no full backup for it, that is why tran logs backup fails. Becuase after the failure, if I run full backup again, then tran log runs just fine afterwards.
I am new to MS SQL Server, I am mostly working with Sybase IQ. Do you know if I can "trigger" full backup every time when new database created to avoid tran lof failure?
Or is it possible to schedule full backup to run if tran log backup fails?
Any advice will be much appreciated.
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Nov 16, 2015
I have a database that is just over 1.5GB and the Full backup that is 13GB not sure how this is since we have compression on for full backups and my other full backups are much smaller than there respective databases...Now my full backup is taken every Sunday night and the differentials are taken every 6 hours after the full backup. Now I have been thrown into this DBA role with little to no experience just what I have picked up and read. So my understanding of backups are limited but what I think I understand is that we take a full backup and the differential only captures what changes in the database so my question is why is my database 1.5GB but my differential is 15.4GB? I have others database that are on the same instance and don't seem to have this problem. I also just noticed that we do not rebuild the index before a full backup like we do on other instances...
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Jun 15, 2015
We are running a SQL Server 2008R2 64-bit database system on a Windows 2012 R2 64-bit Standard system. I have noticed in recent weeks that our differential backups periodically are taking longer than expected to complete. The usual amount of time is about one hour, but on several occasions, it has taken upwards to five hours. The nights when the job takes longer to complete are on Friday.
I did some checking online, and one possible reason for this issue is my scheduling the reindexing of the database on the morning of the Differential backup. For example, this past Friday the reindexing occurred at 1:00 AM with the Differential running at 10:00 PM that night.The article that I read suggested the reindexing, which takes several minutes, if that, to complete, should be scheduled to run just before the Full backup job.
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Jul 19, 2007
Hi
I am using the Simple recovery model and I'm taking a weekly full backup each Monday morning with differentials taken every 4 hours during the day.
On Wednesday afternoon, a programmer ran a process that corrupted the db and I had to restore to the most recent differential. It was 5pm in the afternoon and a differential backup had just occured at 4pm. No problem, I figured.
I restored the full backup from Monday morning and tried to restore the most recent differential backup. The differential restore failed. Since I had used T-SQL for the initial attempt, I tried using Enterprise Manager to try again.
When viewing the backup history, I see my initial full backup taken on Monday plus all the differentials. BUT, on closer inspection, I noticed another full backup in the backup history that was taken early Tuesday morning. I can't figure out where this Tuesday morning full backup came from. It wasn't taken by me (or scheduled by me) and I'm the only one with access to the server. My full backups are usually named something like HCMPRP_20070718_FULL.bak. This erroneous full backup was named something like HCMPRP_03a_361adk2k_dd53.bak. It seemed like it was a system generated name. Not something I would choose. To top it off, I could not find this backup file anywhere on the server and when I tried to restore using this full backup, it failed.
Does anyone have any clues as to where this full backup might come from? Does SQL Server trigger a full backup on its own if some threshold is reached?
I ended up having to restore using the differential taken just before this erroneous full backup and lost a day of transactions.
Any insight is greatly appreciated.
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Sep 19, 2000
For some reason my backups (Transaction log and full backups) have started failing. When looking at the job histoy for the step that failed it reports:
*****(0.011 MB/sec). [SQLSTATE 01000] (Message 3014) Backup, CHECKALLOC, bulk copy, SELECT INTO, and file manipulation (such as CREATE FILE) operations on a database must be serialized. Reissue the statement after the current backup, CHECKALLOC, or file manipulation operation is completed. [SQLSTATE 42000] (Error 3023) Backup or restore operation terminating abnormally. [SQLSTATE 42000] (Error 3013). NOTE: The step was retried the requested number of times (3) without succeeding. The step failed.*****
I have tried running the SQL for the step manually and I get:
Backup, CHECKALLOC, bulk copy, SELECT INTO, and file manipulation (such as CREATE FILE) operations on a database must be serialized. Reissue the statement after the current backup, CHECKALLOC, or file manipulation operation is completed.
Server: Msg 3013, Level 16, State 1, Line 36
Backup or restore operation terminating abnormally.
The step is only determining what day of the week it is and putting it in to a '@bkupday' variable then: "BACKUP LOG [model] TO @bkupday WITH NOINIT , NOUNLOAD , NAME = N'Model Log Backup', NOSKIP , STATS = 10, DESCRIPTION = N'Model log backup', NOFORMAT" for each database and log.
This had been working fine, but for some reason has now started playing up. (trying to workout wether this ties in with when I started merge replication of one of the DBs)
Any one got any ideas as to what might be causing this as it's happened for a couple of nights now?
Cheerz.
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Jan 6, 2004
Hi, I have a scheduled maintenance plan that backs up my database (SQL 2000). The db is 108 Meg. Usually the backup files are around 89 Meg and the transaction log backups are around 4.5 Megs.
The problem is that every once a while the backup fails with the following error:
[Microsoft SQL-DMO (ODBC SQLState: 42000)] Error 3202: [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Write on 'C:Program FilesMicrosoft SQL ServerMSSQLBACKUPCRM_db_200312230100.BAK' failed, status = 112. See the SQL Server error log for more details.
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]BACKUP DATABASE is terminating abnormally.
What usually happens is that the last backup that has failed has a size of 9 or 8 Gigs!
My guess is that a backup file gets corrupt (the size increases to 8 Gigs) and the server runs out of space and won’t be able to do more backups. However I can’t figure out why the backup file size increases to and gets corrupt.
Can anyone help me?
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Jun 13, 2007
what is the differences between a differenctial backup and transaction log backup?
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Jun 6, 2007
Hi,
Using SQL Server 2005, we have a 2.8Gb database under the Simple recovery model. The database contains ~50M rows and each night ~60k rows are loaded(appended) to the database by a SSIS task.
We configured a Maintenance Plan which is executed once a week to perform a full backup of the database. The resulting backup file is ~2.8Gb, as expected.
We also configured another Maintenance Plan which is executed every day, a few hours after the SSIS task is executed, to perform a differential backup. To our surprise, the resulting backup file is about the same size as the full backup, ~2.8Gb when it should only be a few MB (only 60k rows are added to the database)
When we launch the "Restore Database" wizzard we clearly see the different backup set, Full and Differential but they all have about the same size (same for the physical backup file on disk).
Is there anything we are missing, why are the differential backup that big?
Thanks for any advice.
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Jan 14, 2008
My tape backups have started failing, due to time out errors.
I noticed that if I try restore headeronly from the tape drive I also receive a backup error.
I'm thinking that it could be the tape drive HP DAT 72 but thought I'd ask if anyone had any other suggestions.
This is the command I'm running: RESTORE HEADERONLY FROM TAPE = '\.Tape0' WITH NOUNLOAD
I am greeted with this result:
********************************
Msg 4027, Level 16, State 1, Line 4
Mount tape for RESTORE HEADERONLY of database '' on tape drive '\.Tape0'.
Msg 3229, Level 16, State 1, Line 4
Request for device '\.Tape0' timed out.
Msg 3013, Level 16, State 1, Line 4
RESTORE HEADERONLY is terminating abnormally.
**************************************
It doesn't happen all the time, but roughly half the time the backups fail.
If I go to the Computer Manager then Storage--> Libraries --> Hewlett Packard DAT 72 (my tape drive) it shows the Red X over the drive.
It lists it as an off-line library.
Any thoughts on this?
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Jun 14, 2007
Hi:
I have 30 databases on sql server 2005 that I need to do a full backup every morning at 7:00 and tran log backup every 30 minutes until 7:00 PM. If I create a maintenance plan for a backup using the wizard I have the option of starting a full backup at 7 am and then an option of doing tran log backups every hour using a different schedule. I plan on selecting the option to create a different folder for every database. I just need to confirm that in this way the way to restore the data would be
1. to restore a full backup
2. apply all the tran logs depending on the time they want to recover back to.
I just think this is the easiest approach to have 30 databases on the same backup scheme instead of creating a separate backup device for each database and doing a full backup on that device and appending all tran logs to that device which means just 1 bak file versus the above strategy with a number of tran log files. Please advise.
Thanks
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Nov 22, 2004
Hi,
I have my tran log backup running every 30 mins. One of the log backups took 36 mins to complete. So at a time I would have two log backups taking place. It seems to me that the 2nd log back up did not happen at all ( I checked in the EM) as the first one wasn't completed by then.
I am kind of lost here as to how to proceed.
Please advise.
Thanks.
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