Unpredictable Queue Order - PLEASE HELP !
Sep 8, 2006
Hi There
I am having alot of trouble with the order in which messages are being delivered, here is my scenario.
I have a transaction action table :
message 1 - xml schema A.
message 2 - xml schema A.
message 3 - xml schema B.
message 4 - xml schema D.
I have the following SP:
BEGIN TRAN
BEGIN DIALOG CONVERSATION
SEND ON CONVERSATION message 1
BEGIN DIALOG CONVERSATION
SEND ON CONVERSATION message 2
COMMIT
AT the target i get message 1 in the queue first them message 2. But then i try this.
BEGIN TRAN
BEGIN DIALOG CONVERSATION
SEND ON CONVERSATION message 3
BEGIN DIALOG CONVERSATION
SEND ON CONVERSATION message 4
COMMIT
At the target i get message 4 first it has the lower queuing_order on the queue, somehow it got ont he queue first.
I have tried turning validation off on the mssage types as i thought it may have something to do with the xml, but same problem.
I then tried to do a commit after each message like this:
BEGIN TRAN
BEGIN TRAN
BEGIN DIALOG CONVERSATION
SEND ON CONVERSATION message 1
COMMIT
BEGIN TRAN
BEGIN DIALOG CONVERSATION
SEND ON CONVERSATION message 2
COMMIT
COMMIT
But message 4 still gets on the queue first . WTF is going on ?
The only way i can get this to work is like this.
BEGIN TRAN
BEGIN DIALOG CONVERSATION
SEND ON CONVERSATION message 1
WAITFOR DELAY '00:00:01'
BEGIN DIALOG CONVERSATION
SEND ON CONVERSATION message 2
COMMIT
Why does this work ? and why do i not have this issue with message 1 and 2? If it has soemthing to do with the xml what is it?
Please help.
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Hello,
This is info that I am still not certain about and I just need to make sure, my gut feeling is correct:
A.
When a procedure is triggered upon reception of a message in a queue, what happens when the procedure fails and rolls back?
1. Message is left on the Queue.
2. is the worker procedure triggered again for the same message by the queue?
3. I am hoping the Queue keeps on triggering workers until it is empty.
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B.
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Thus I want to ensure my Queue reader procedures execute simultaneously. Is reading the Top message in one reader somehow blocking the queue for any other reader procedures? I.e. if I have BEGIN TRANSACTION when reading messages of the Queue, is that effectively going prevent many reader procedures working simultaneously. Again, I want to ensure that Service broker is effectively spawning procedures that work simultaneously.
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'What do i entered???'
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Hi,
We got a problem.
supposing we have a table like this:
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aId int IDENTITY(1,1) NOT NULL,
aName string2 NOT NULL
)
go
ALTER TABLE a ADD
CONSTRAINT PK_a PRIMARY KEY CLUSTERED (aId)
go
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insert into a values ('bank of abcde');
...
... (20 times)
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Result is:
6Bank of abcde
5Bank of abcde
4Bank of abcde
3Bank of abcde
2Bank of abcde
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Result is:
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10Bank of abcde
9Bank of abcde
8Bank of abcde
7Bank of abcde
6Bank of abcde
5Bank of abcde
4Bank of abcde
3Bank of abcde
2Bank of abcde
According to this result, user see the first 5 records with id 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 in page 1, but when he tries to view page 2, he still see the records with id 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. This is not correct for users. :eek:
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So I ask for your advice here, is there any settings can tell the db use default sort order when the order by column value are the same? Or is there any other solution to resolve this problem in one shot?
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Hi,
We got a problem.
supposing we have a table like this:
CREATE TABLE a (
aId int IDENTITY(1,1) NOT NULL,
aName string2 NOT NULL
)
go
ALTER TABLE a ADD
CONSTRAINT PK_a PRIMARY KEY CLUSTERED (aId)
go
insert into a values ('bank of abcde');
insert into a values ('bank of abcde');
...
... (20 times)
select top 5 * from a order by aName
Result is:
6 Bank of abcde
5 Bank of abcde
4 Bank of abcde
3 Bank of abcde
2 Bank of abcde
select top 10 * from a order by aName
Result is:
11 Bank of abcde
10 Bank of abcde
9 Bank of abcde
8 Bank of abcde
7 Bank of abcde
6 Bank of abcde
5 Bank of abcde
4 Bank of abcde
3 Bank of abcde
2 Bank of abcde
According to this result, user see the first 5 records with id 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 in page 1, but when he tries to view page 2, he still see the records with id 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. This is not correct for users.
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(2)
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