Uprgade MSDE 2000 To Sql Server Express - Authentication Issue
Aug 1, 2006
I am trying to do a unattended upgrade of an MSDE 2000 named instance, say MyInstance, to a SQl Server Express Advanced edition. The set up is Mixed Mode Authentication. ( I can't use Windows Authentication for business reasons).
The error I get is
SQL Server Setup Cannot Upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server Creditial. You must use Windows Authentication creditial for the upgrade.
Details are as follows:
OS: Windows XP Prof (SP2).
Original install: MSDE 2000
Instance name: MyInstance
Authentication: SQL
Registry Entry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftMicrosoft SQL ServerMyInstanceMSSQLServer
Key LoginMode has a value of 2 ( corresponding to Mixed Mode Auth)
Upgrade attempted to: SQL Server Express Adv.
Command Line: start /wait setup.exe /qn LOGNAME=C:setup.cab /settings E:Sql2005SqlTemplate.ini
SqlTemplate.ini Contents:
[OPTIONS]
INSTANCENAME=MyInstance
SECURITYMODE=SQL
UPGRADE=SQL_Engine
UPGRADEUSER=sa
UPGRADEPWD=My$Password
The error I get in Summary.txt:
Machine : xxxxxXP
Product : SQL Server Database Services
Error : SQL Server Setup cannot upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server credentials. You must use Windows Authentication credentials for the upgrade.
Can't I use SQL Authentication? I could not find a definitive answer on this one. Here's one thread that seem to indicate the same issue
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.sqlserver.msde/browse_thread/thread/90fb4b7182a55d54/f3128b447585f29d%23f3128b447585f29d
My questions:
- Can I use SQL Authentication?
- Where am I going wrong?
- I know the error message says to use Windows Authentication but I don't understand why I am I forced into using that.
Any insightsopinions will be highly appreciated. I am on the verge of a breakdown :(.
Best
LW.
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Jul 31, 2006
I am trying to do a unattended upgrade of an MSDE 2000 named instance, say MyInstance, to a SQl Server Express Advanced edition. The set up is Mixed Mode Authentication. ( I can't use Windows Authentication for business reasons).
The error I get is
SQL Server Setup Cannot Upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server
Creditial. You must use Windows Authentication creditial for the upgrade.
Details are as follows:
OS: Windows XP Prof (SP2).
Original install: MSDE 2000
Instance name: MyInstance
Authentication: SQL
Registry Entry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftMicrosoft SQL ServerMyInstanceMSSQLServer
Key LoginMode has a value of 2 ( corresponding to Mixed Mode Auth)
Upgrade attempted to: SQL Server Express Adv.
Command Line: start /wait setup.exe /qn LOGNAME=C:setup.cab /settings E:Sql2005SqlTemplate.ini
SqlTemplate.ini Contents:
[OPTIONS]
INSTANCENAME=MyInstance
SECURITYMODE=SQL
UPGRADE=SQL_Engine
UPGRADEUSER=sa
UPGRADEPWD=My$Password
The error I get in Summary.txt:
Machine : xxxxxXP
Product : SQL Server Database Services
Error : SQL Server Setup cannot upgrade the specified instance by using SQL Server credentials. You must use Windows Authentication credentials for the upgrade.
Can't I use SQL Authentication? I could not find a definitive answer on this one. Here's one thread that seem to indicate the same issue
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.sqlserver.msde/browse_thread/thread/90fb4b7182a55d54/f3128b447585f29d%23f3128b447585f29d
My questions:
- Can I use SQL Authentication?
- Where am I going wrong?
- I know the error message says to use Windows Authentication but I don't understand why I am I forced into using that.
Any insightsopinions will be highly appreciated.
Best
LW.
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BUT.
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Parameter
Access 2000/XP
SQL Server 7.0
SQL Server 2000
MSDE 2000
Number of instances per server
n/a
n/a
16
16
Number of databases per instance / server
n/a
32,767
32,767
32,767
Number of objects per database
32,768
2,147,483,647
2,147,483,647
2,147,483,647
Number of users per database
n/a
16,379
16,379
16,379
Number of roles per database
n/a
16,367
16,367
16,367
Overall size of database (excluding logs)
2 GB
1,048,516 TB
1,048,516 TB
2 GB
Number of columns per table
255
1024
1024
1024
Number of rows per table
limited by storage
limited by storage
limited by storage
limited by storage
Number of bytes per row
(Excluding TEXT/MEMO/IMAGE/OLE)
2 KB
8 KB
8 KB
8 KB
Number of columns per query
255
4,096
4,096
4,096
Number of tables per query
32
256
256
256
Size of procedure / query
64 KB
250 MB
250 MB
250 MB
Number of input params per procedure / query
199
1,024
2,100
2,100
Size of SQL statement / batch
64 KB
64 KB
64 KB
64 KB
Depth of subquery nesting
50
32
32
32
Number of indexes per table
32
250 (1 clustered)
250 (1 clustered)
250 (1 clustered)
Number of columns per index
10
16
16
16
Number of characters per object name
64
128
128
128
Number of concurrent user connections
255
32,767
32,767
5
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Hi Guys.
How are you,
its something very complicated to understand my issue.
i am receiving the above error message when i tried to login with using windows accout to connect to SQL server Instance using client tool.
ok Let me start step by step.
1) Initially we have one box using windows 2000 (OS) and having SQL Server 2000.
2) Here on SQL Server instance i have created windows account login and gave permissions to one of the database on that instance.
3) this windows account is in the right domain and also in the same domain
4) when i right click on Management Studio on the different machine --> Run As--> enter the windows account --> select the above Sql server instance.then connect
5) Here i am not able to connect to the sql server.
the below error generates when i press the connect button
Logins failed for user '(null)'. Reason: Not associated with a trusted SQL Server connection.
(microsoft SQL Server, Error: 18452)
if we gave the full permission to connect to box with this windows account then i am able to connect the sql server instance, otherwise its not allowing me to connect to the Sql server instance.
we have another box using windows 2000 (OS) and having SQL Server 2005.
i have followed the same as above with same windows account login.
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Anybody have idea about this issue???
if the SQL server 2000 doesnot have the option to connect remotely. unless that windows account have the full permissions to box.
if you have any white paper please let know.
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