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C:dataVStudioprojectsSQLutilsSQLutils>c:WINDOWSMicrosoft.NETFrameworkv2
.0.50727vbc /t:library /out: SQLutils.dll Class1.vb
Microsoft (R) Visual Basic Compiler versie 8.0.50727.42
voor Microsoft (R) .NET Framework versie 2.0.50727.42
Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. Alle rechten voorbehouden.



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I've created the assembly



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and then the function:



CREATE AGGREGATE Concat (@input nvarchar(200)) RETURNS nvarchar(max)

EXTERNAL NAME sqlutildll.Concatenate



and then I got this error:



Msg 6558, Level 16, State 1, Line 1

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Msg 6597, Level 16, State 2, Line 1

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The VB code:




Code Snippet

Imports System

Imports System.Data

Imports Microsoft.SqlServer.Server

Imports System.Data.SqlTypes

Imports System.IO

Imports System.Text

<Serializable(), SqlUserDefinedAggregate(Format.UserDefined, IsInvariantToNulls:=True, IsInvariantToDuplicates:=False, IsInvariantToOrder:=False, MaxByteSize:=8000)> <Microsoft.VisualBasic.ComClass()> _

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''' </summary>

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''' <summary>

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''' </summary>

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End Sub

''' <summary>

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''' </summary>

''' <param name="value"></param>

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If value.IsNull Then

Return

End If

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End Sub

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''' </summary>

''' <param name="other"></param>

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End Sub

''' <summary>

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''' </summary>

''' <returns></returns>

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End If

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End Function

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