VERY Wide Rows, 8060 Bytes Row Size Limit && SPARSE Columns
Apr 23, 2008
Hi,
Im trying to create a VERY wide table, with 1,000 columns of type varchar(MAX), nullable.
The CREATE TABLE statement (both in SQL 2005 & 2008), gives the following warning:
Warning: The table "WIDE_TABLE" has been created, but its maximum row size exceeds the allowed maximum of 8060 bytes. INSERT or UPDATE to this table will fail if the resulting row exceeds the size limit.
When I insert data into the table, filling all columns with small, 10-byte string values, I get the following error:
Msg 50000, Level 16, State 1, Procedure sp_pivot, Line 118
Cannot create a row of size 15034 which is greater than the allowable maximum of 8060.
Id like to verify this observation: each row is created with 2000 bytes of offset data (2 byte * 1000 columns), 125 bytes for null bitmap (1000 columns / 8 bits) and some more wasted? row information. This leaves less than 6K for the data itself. But since not all columns can fit within the page, forwarding pointers in the row need to be created, 24 byte per column, which very quickly add up to more than 8K, thus the error. So the 8K limit is met for much less columns than the max 1024 column restriction.
Furthermore, in SQL 2008, SPARSE columns will not solve the problem (maybe save some metadata? space in case the columns are null, but if not, Im with the same problem again, or even worse, since now each value takes more storage space. The max 30,000 columns in 2008 is only for cases where the column values are really sparse¦
Is this the right observation? if so, is there a workaround besides splitting to multiple tables?
Thanks,
Aviv.
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Sep 30, 2015
I thought I understand the notion in the Title until I ran the query below. This query inserts aĀ 5000 byte value into two columns in the same record and sql (2008) doesn't complain.Ā
-- drop table table_1
create table table_1(
[mychar1] [varchar](8000) NULL,
[mychar2] [varchar](8000) NULL
)
insert into table_1 ( mychar1, mychar2)
values (replicate('a', 5000) , replicate('b', 5000))
select * from table_1
-- truncate table table_1
I just noticed that usingĀ Ā Replicate ('a', 50000) doesn't cause an issue either. I'll be reviewing the replicate documentation too.
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Jan 14, 2008
This is a question that I have not had an opportunity to test. Was wanting to know if anyone in the SQl world knows the answer. In SQL 2K and 2005 your rolls are limited to 8060 bytes without using varchar(MAX). My question is do you have to specify varchar(max) before your roll can exceed 8060 or does SQL 2005 exceed without specifing varchar(Max). Also does SQL 2005 expand it across multiple pages automatically. Please assist if you can.
Thanks
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I have some code I build 2 weeks ago which Iāve been running daily but itās suddenly stopped working with the following error.
āThe table "tbl_Intraday_Tmp" has been created, but its maximum row size exceeds the allowed maximum of 8060 bytes. INSERT or UPDATE to this table will fail if the resulting row exceeds the size limitā When I google this there seems to be a related to tables with vast numbers of columns.
My table tbl_Intraday_tmp is relatively small. It has 7 columns. 1 of varchar(5), 3 of decimal(9,3) and 2 of decimal(18,0). The bit Iām puzzled with is it was working and stopped.
I donāt recall changing anything but I wouldnāt rule that out. I āve inspected the source files and I donāt believe they have changed either.
DECLARE Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
@FileName varchar(50),
@Path varchar(50),
@SqlCmd varchar(1000)
= '',
@ASXCode varchar(5),
@Offset decimal(18,0),
[code]....
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INSERT or UPDATE to this table will fail if the resulting row exceeds the size limit.
how can i resolve this?
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I have a flat file with 13K columns which I need to load in a wide table.
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How to load data in the wide table?
Also if i choose to load the data in 13 different work tables.
How do I define datatypes in the flatfile connection manager in SSIS for 13000 columns ?
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we can easily load a file into db tables. However, my main concern here is the number of columns in the file. A text file TEXT_1400.txt has 1400 columns. I am unable to load data to my db table using BCP or BULK INSERT commands, as maximum of 1024 columns are allowed per table in SQL Server 2008.Ā
We can still go ahead and create āWide Tableā (a special table that holds up to 30,000 columns.Ā The maximum size of a wide table row is 8,019 bytes.).Ā But when operating on wide table, BCP/BULK INSERT commands still fail. After few hours of scratching my head over BCP and BULK INSERT, I observed that while insertingĀ BCP/BULK INSERT commands are unable to identify SPARSE columns and skip these columns, which disturbs column mapping and results in data conversion and trancation errors.
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Is there any proper way to load this kind of files into the db table?Ā
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Warning: The table "RowSizeError" has been created, but its maximum row size exceeds the allowed maximum of 8060 bytes. INSERT or UPDATE to this table will fail if the resulting row exceeds the size limit.
Ā 307Ā x 50 = 15350 and 308 x 50 = 15400. why I get the warning below with 308 columns but not with 307?
drop table [RowSizeError]
go
CREATE TABLE [RowSizeError](
Ā [F1] [nvarchar](50) NULL,
Ā [F2] [nvarchar](50) NULL,
Ā [F3] [nvarchar](50) NULL,
Ā
[code]....
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Hi,
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I have recently converted a table with many columns that are now using sparse columns.However I have now found that a lot of my queries are not working.It seems to be due to the fact that I am using a lot of #Temp tables in my queries along with the SELECT... INTO... method to get data into the temporary table.This worked previously fine, however the sparse columns are not coming across to the #Temp table.Here is an example of what previously working fine:-
(This obviously just grabbed everything in the Client table)
Select *
INTO #temptable1
from ClientI have tried the following without any success (Knowing I now need to specify the column names)
Select ClientId, Val1, Val2, Val3, Val4, Val5, Val6
INTO #temptable1
from ClientVal3, Val4, Val6 and Val6 are sparse columns.
The query runs fine, however when I try and do a select of any of the sparse columns from #temptable1, it just says they do not exist.After reading up. It would seem I can not use the SELECT... INTO... however I have not found any other alternatives that I can convert my code to?I have a lot of quite complex queries that use this method and I am looking for something that I can convert them all over to.
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Hello
I am getting following error during executing a insert query.
Error Message : Cannot create a worktable row larger than allowable maximum.
Resubmit your query with the ROBUST PLAN hint.
1. The max rowsize for a table in SQL Server 2000 is 8060 characters.
2. The query was working fine for data below the limit, it failed
for the data above the limit.
3. I had tested the UPDATE query with option (ROBUST PLAN ), but it didnt work.
if any one have clue to solve this problem plzz reply soon.
-thanks in advance
--dharmendra singh
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A simple alter statement to populate a column is giving the error below.
UPDATE AM_PROFILE_4101_0 SET _92284 = CONVERT(varchar(1000),fv.varcharValue)
FROM AM_PROFILE_4101_0 pt
INNER JOIN cyfield_value fv ON fv.fieldID = 92284 AND pt.AM_PROFILE_ID = fv.AMid
Cannot create a row of size 8125 which is greater than the allowable maximum of 8060.
The table as many varchar(max) columns such as _92284, and many are populated with around 1000 bytes of data. Everything I'm reading tells me SQL 2005 supports large row sizes. But why is this error still coming up.
Other usage info: These numbered columns (i.e. _92284) are dropped, added, and repopulated with data every night.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thank you!
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Pulling the first byte off works fine, no issues, however putting the remainder of the input column into an output column is giving me a little trouble.
If I use this expression:
LEN(FLD1) == 0 ? NULL(DT_WSTR,1) : SUBSTRING(FLD1, 2, LEN(FLD1) - 1))
I get an error that says my expression evaluates to a string of greater than 4000 bytes.
If I do this instead:
LEN(FLD1) == 0 ? NULL(DT_WSTR,1) : RTRIM(SUBSTRING(FLD1, 2, 7999))
The expression passes muster but I get the warning that I will be truncating the column at 4000 bytes.
In actuality, I don't care if the result column is truncated after 4000 bytes. I find the second solution to be a bit clunky and I'm wondering if anyone can give me a reason why the first solution won't evaluate but the second will?
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I want the reason for the above statement where I user nvarchar(4000)
to insert the japanese text it give the same error , why we cannot have
maximum size ? if we can have maximum size than 8060 what is the
setting
Please help me ..
Thanks in anticipation
Ashish Tahasildar
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1.) three steps for each column in each table in each db.
Step 1: update table to allow for nulls
Step 2: update tabe set column=null where column =0.00
Step 3 update table set sparse columns
2.)
Step 1: Create entirely new table with sparse column definitions
Step 2: copy entire table, transforming 0.00 to null for affected columns via SSIS
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database:microsoft 6.5 SQL
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Hi, All,I came cross a problem like this.Cannot create a row of size which is greater than the allowable maximum of 8060 Is there any method to solve this ?
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"System.Data.SqlClient.SqlException: String or binary data would be truncated.
The statement has been terminated.
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection.OnError(SqlException exception, Boolean breakConnection)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnection.OnError(SqlException exception, Boolean breakConnection)
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at _default.InsertandSend() in c:\Inetpub\wwwroot\cleanapp\default.aspx.cs:line 178"
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While this error indicates a permission problem, there were no permission problems when creating the "1234" partition. In researching the problem, I ran across KB905395 which states:
Limitations on the HostName property and the Subscriber-requested snapshotIf you try to initialize a SQL Server Mobile Edition subscription by using a filtered HostName property, initialization fails. This problem occurs when the value that is supplied for the HostName
property contains more than 12 characters. To work around this problem,
disable Subscriber-requested snapshot delivery at the Publisher. You
can also use a value for the HostName property that contains fewer than 12 characters.
====
This seems to be consistent with what we've observed (which actually led to the "1234" test). Does anyone know if a fix for this exists? Has anyone else run across this issue? I saw a previous post from March that did, but never got resolved. However, the KB article above was posted in March - hmmm...
This is an existing application and filtering based on the device's id is ingrained in the application. Changing it now would be large undertaking.
Regards,
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Does the user get an error message?
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