I Hava Program Mssql Insert
Dec 23, 2006
Protected Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs)
If Page.IsPostBack Then
binddata()
End If
End Sub
Sub binddata()
baglanti = New SqlConnection("Data Source=.SQLEXPRESS;AttachDbFilename=|DataDirectory|datagoldbar.mdf;Integrated Security=True;User Instance=True")
End Sub
Protected Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs)
Dim cmd As New SqlCommand("INSERT INTO db " & _
"(ip,sehir,mesaj,email) VALUES (@ip, " & _
"@sehir,@mesaj,@email)", baglanti)
cmd.Parameters.Add("@ip", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 50).Value = isim.Text
cmd.Parameters.Add("@sehir", SqlDbType.NChar, 50).Value = sehir.Text
cmd.Parameters.Add("@mesaj", SqlDbType.NText).Value = mesaj.Text
cmd.Parameters.Add("@email", SqlDbType.NVarChar, 150).Value = email.Text
baglanti.Open()
cmd.ExecuteNonQuery()
binddata()
End Sub
Server Error in
Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
where is mistake there?
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I have the following problem. I need to insert 100.000 records (50Kb each) in one operation from a VB program into a SQL Server 2005 database. All of these records will be ready for inserting at the same time.
How to make this insert as one big transaction instead of 100.000 small ones?
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Hi all,
there are 2 datagrids i have taken,
1st for displaying data before inserting the value into table
2nd for displaying data after inserting the value into table
just see the screeenshot which i have taken
actually the problem is, we are not getting any type of errors even though I have try/catch blocks.
I have colored that particular statement in RED color, where it is getting stuck, while executing, if we sit 40-45 minutes then also the execution pointer is not going on next step.
please look into this, and if u have any idea/person by which/whom we can solve this then please tell us.......
-chaukse rahul
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.ComponentModel;
using System.Data;
using System.Drawing;
using System.Text;
using System.Windows.Forms;
using System.Reflection;
using System.Data.SqlServerCe;
using System.Data.Common;
namespace ProjectSQLMobile2
{
public partial class Form1 : Form
{
private DataSet dsMemberList;
public Form1()
{
InitializeComponent();
}
private void Form1_Load(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
Sync();
}
private void Sync()
{
SqlCeReplication repl = new SqlCeReplication();
repl.InternetUrl = @"http://169.254.25.129/WebSQLMobile/sqlcesa30.dll";
repl.Publisher = @"RAHU";
repl.PublisherDatabase = @"SQLMobile";
repl.PublisherSecurityMode = SecurityType.DBAuthentication;
repl.PublisherLogin = @"sa";
repl.PublisherPassword = @"sa12345";
repl.Publication = @"PubSQLMobile";
repl.Subscriber = @"SubSQLMobile";
repl.SubscriberConnectionString = @"Data Source=TestLast.sdf;Max Database Size=128;Default Lock Escalation =100;";
try
{
if (!System.IO.File.Exists(@"TestLast.sdf"))
{
repl.AddSubscription(AddOption.CreateDatabase);
}
repl.Synchronize();
}
catch (SqlCeException ex)
{
DisplaySQLCEErrors(ex);
}
finally
{
repl.Dispose();
}
/*
*
* To Display Data Into DataGrid1 Before Insert
*
*/
SqlCeConnection cn = new SqlCeConnection(@"Data Source=TestLast.sdf");
SqlCeDataAdapter daMemberList = new SqlCeDataAdapter("SELECT MemberID, MemberName FROM MembershipData", cn);
if (dsMemberList == null)
{
dsMemberList = new DataSet();
}
try
{
dsMemberList.Clear();
daMemberList.Fill(dsMemberList, "MembershipData");
dataGrid1.DataSource = dsMemberList.Tables["MembershipData"];
}
catch (SqlCeException ex)
{
DisplaySQLCEErrors(ex);
}
}
private void Merge()
{
SqlCeReplication repl = new SqlCeReplication();
repl.InternetUrl = @"http://169.254.25.129/WebSQLMobile/sqlcesa30.dll";
repl.Publisher = @"RAHU";
repl.PublisherDatabase = @"SQLMobile";
repl.PublisherSecurityMode = SecurityType.DBAuthentication;
repl.PublisherLogin = @"sa";
repl.PublisherPassword = @"sa12345";
repl.Publication = @"PubSQLMobile";
repl.Subscriber = @"SubSQLMobile";
repl.SubscriberConnectionString = @"Data Source=TestLast.sdf;Max Database Size=128;Default Lock Escalation =100;";
try
{
if (!System.IO.File.Exists(@"TestLast.sdf"))
{
repl.AddSubscription(AddOption.CreateDatabase);
}
repl.Synchronize();
}
catch (SqlCeException ex)
{
DisplaySQLCEErrors(ex);
}
finally
{
repl.Dispose();
}
/*
*
* To Display Data Into DataGrid2 After Insert
*
*/
SqlCeConnection cn = new SqlCeConnection(@"Data Source=TestLast.sdf");
SqlCeDataAdapter daMemberList = new SqlCeDataAdapter("SELECT MemberID, MemberName FROM MembershipData", cn);
if (dsMemberList == null)
{
dsMemberList = new DataSet();
}
try
{
dsMemberList.Clear();
daMemberList.Fill(dsMemberList, "MembershipData");
dataGrid2.DataSource = dsMemberList.Tables["MembershipData"];
}
catch (SqlCeException ex)
{
DisplaySQLCEErrors(ex);
}
}
private void DisplaySQLCEErrors(SqlCeException ex)
{
for (int i = 0; i < ex.Errors.Count; i++)
{
MessageBox.Show("Index #" + i.ToString() + ""
+ ex.Errors.Source + ""
+ "Error: " + ex.Errors.Message,
"Error No. " + ex.Errors.NativeError.ToString());
}
}
private void buttonInsertData_Click(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
//add directly into ce database sample:
SqlCeConnection cn = new SqlCeConnection(@"Data Source=""TestLast.sdf""");
string SQL = "INSERT INTO MembershipData(MemberName) VALUES('" + textBox1.Text + "')";
cn.Open();
SqlCeCommand cmd = new SqlCeCommand(SQL, cn);
cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text;
try
{
/*
* This statement is taking too much time to be executed * what should we do??????? */ cmd.ExecuteNonQuery(); }
catch (SqlCeException ex)
{
DisplaySQLCEErrors(ex);
}
finally
{
cn.Close();
}
Merge();
}
}
}
please help,
ur help will be appriciates
NOTE:- I am getting output in 1st datagrid, but in 2nd dtagrid there is no output
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I will load the whole database into a dataset when the program start and do all the "Insert", "Update", "Delete" in this dataset and fill it into database after each action.
cn.Open()
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sda.Update(dataset)
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I check the sda.update(), it takes about 0.08s for filling one record into database normally. But:
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cmd.ExecuteNonQuery()
cn.Close()
StartTime = Environment.TickCount
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TITLE: Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio
------------------------------
An exception occurred while executing a Transact-SQL statement or batch. (Microsoft.SqlServer.ConnectionInfo)
------------------------------
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
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------------------------------
BUTTONS:
OK
------------------------------
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TITLE: Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio
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Attach database failed for Server 'MROACH1'. (Microsoft.SqlServer.Smo)
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------------------------------
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
An exception occurred while executing a Transact-SQL statement or batch. (Microsoft.SqlServer.ConnectionInfo)
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BUTTONS:
OK
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