Tran Log Backup Conflicts With Shrinkdatabase?
Apr 2, 2008
Hi:
I have maintenance plan on DBABC backup log to .trn job to run every 90 minutes (daily).
in order to keep the log file small, I also set up a job (T-SQL) to run at 4:15 am to backup log ABC with truncate_only, then run dbcc shrinkdatabase (DBABC, 10)
it looks "backup log ABC with truncate_only" has conflicts with the every90 minutes backup transaction log.
Question: could I keep the backup transaction log every90 minutes, but still could shrink the log file. The log file is growing very fast.
Or I have to use differential backup instead of backup tran log?
thanks
David
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Aug 8, 2007
Hello,
I have MS SQL 2005 server with 300+ databases on it. The application is set up that way that it creates a new database as needed (dynamically). Do not ask me why - I hate this design... So, it can create 3-4 databases a day (random time).
I've scheduled full backup of all databases to run once at night, and it runs just fine. Besides that, I have scheduled tran logs backup of all databases to run every hour. This backup fails from time to time with the following error:
Executing the query "BACKUP LOG [survey_p0886464_test] TO DISK = N'D:\backups\log backups\survey_p0886464_test_backup_200708072300.trn' WITH NOFORMAT, NOINIT, NAME = N'survey_p0886464_test_backup_20070807230002', SKIP, REWIND, NOUNLOAD, STATS = 10
" failed with the following error: "BACKUP LOG cannot be performed because there is no current database backup.
BACKUP LOG is terminating abnormally.". Possible failure reasons: Problems with the query, "ResultSet" property not set correctly, parameters not set correctly, or connection not established correctly.
So, I think what happens is since my full backup of all databases are scheduled to run only once at night, and tran logs every hour, when new database is created during the day, there is no full backup for it, that is why tran logs backup fails. Becuase after the failure, if I run full backup again, then tran log runs just fine afterwards.
I am new to MS SQL Server, I am mostly working with Sybase IQ. Do you know if I can "trigger" full backup every time when new database created to avoid tran lof failure?
Or is it possible to schedule full backup to run if tran log backup fails?
Any advice will be much appreciated.
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Apr 16, 2008
Hi
I have a full backup Job in SQL Server2000 server(designed by some body).
Step1.DBCC SHRINKDATABASE
Step2.DBCC SHRINKFILE -->It is shrinking log file
and
BACKUP DATASE()
Is it OK Shrinking Database and log files before full backup..
Your advice is appreciated.
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Jun 14, 2007
Hi:
I have 30 databases on sql server 2005 that I need to do a full backup every morning at 7:00 and tran log backup every 30 minutes until 7:00 PM. If I create a maintenance plan for a backup using the wizard I have the option of starting a full backup at 7 am and then an option of doing tran log backups every hour using a different schedule. I plan on selecting the option to create a different folder for every database. I just need to confirm that in this way the way to restore the data would be
1. to restore a full backup
2. apply all the tran logs depending on the time they want to recover back to.
I just think this is the easiest approach to have 30 databases on the same backup scheme instead of creating a separate backup device for each database and doing a full backup on that device and appending all tran logs to that device which means just 1 bak file versus the above strategy with a number of tran log files. Please advise.
Thanks
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Nov 22, 2004
Hi,
I have my tran log backup running every 30 mins. One of the log backups took 36 mins to complete. So at a time I would have two log backups taking place. It seems to me that the 2nd log back up did not happen at all ( I checked in the EM) as the first one wasn't completed by then.
I am kind of lost here as to how to proceed.
Please advise.
Thanks.
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Mar 28, 2002
I noticed our log files are getting way too big. I found that a previous
SQL guy had set up the following scheduled job with the TSQL statement:
BACKUP LOG DEV TO DevDailyTranLog with noinit
This runs every 20 minutes.
There's also a Maint Plan to do a Complete backup every night and a
Transaction Backup every hour (could be set to 20 min)
Why do you suppose the BACKUP LOG job exists ? If the maint plan were
set to backup transaction every 20 min, wouldn't the 2 jobs be
duplicating each other ?
Also, I notice that the Tran Logs specified in the database properties
seem awfully big (4 gig), shouldn't they automatically be truncated when
the daily full backup occurs ? (full recovery model)
Feel free to call me and straighten me out or to get more info.
Win2K, SQL 2K
gdunn@taunton.com
203-426-8171 x 374
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Jul 14, 2006
Running SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition.
Database is in Full Recovery mode.
I have full backups scheduled weekly, differentails scheduled daily and tran log ackups scheduled for every 15 minutes.
The tran log backups only work for the first 40 minutes or so after the daily backup. Once the daily has occured, the tran backups will work again, but for only 40 minutes.
I run consistency checks on the db daily and there are no errors.
The error returned from the tran log backup is 'BACKUP LOG cannot be performed because there is no current database backup'
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Mar 27, 2007
Has anyone been able to successfully delete old backup files(*.bak) and tran logs (*.trn) TOGETHER using maintenance plan cleanup task in SQL 2005 SP2.
this is transact sql running in the back ground.
EXECUTE master.dbo.xp_delete_file 0,N'F:MSSQL.2MSSQLBackupibmdir',N'"bak" & "trn"',N'2007-03-26T22:21:14',1
This DOESNT WORK.
It works if I just try to delete only one of the things ie trn or bak files.
EXECUTE master.dbo.xp_delete_file 0,N'F:MSSQL.2MSSQLBackupibmdir',N'bak',N'2007-03-26T22:21:14',1
But is there a way to delete both bak and trn files using one task ?
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Hi,
I want to rollback my t-sql if it encounters an error. I wrote this code:
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insert into table1 values (1, 'test');
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commit tran mytrans;
I forced my insert to have an error by putting a value that exceeds the data size. However, I didn't do any rollback. Anything i missed out?
cherriesh
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I just inherited a database nightmare - and I've got a few questions I hope you folks can help with.
I ran a shrinkdatabase command from the enterprise manager (I should have used DBCC I realize now), and then my session died. The process is still going - but this is a huge database, and I'd like to know how long it will run. Is there any way to translate physical io (or anything else) to % complete?
This is being run to open up space on a disk array that is completely full. However, since kicking that off, additional storage has mysteriously been made available. <sigh> I assume that killing the shrink wouldn't involve rollbacks - but might leave the database in an unpredictable state. Is this correct?
Any other recommendations to speed this along? And, yes, I've got all the users off the system.
Thanks in advance for you insights...
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Nov 27, 2001
Hi:
Need to shrink a few large databases and has anyone had more success with using DBCC Shrinkfile compared to DBCC Shrinkdatabase?
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Sep 10, 2003
When using the above comand on our database, I receive the error:
Transaction (Process ID 81) was deadlocked on lock resources with another process and has been chosen as the deadlock victim. Rerun the transaction.
Is that because we have users in the database as Im trying to shrink it ?
I re-ran the query and received the same messages.
thank you
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Sep 28, 2006
I've been testing this in our test environment. Our database has grown to 18GB so I want to make it smaller.
I used
DBCC SHRINKDATABASE (dbname, TRUNCATEONLY)
because i want to free up space that the file takes up on the server. Am I misunderstanding this? Should I not expect my .mdf to shrink?
Thanks.
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Hi all, after using "DBCC SHRINKDATABASE (MyDB, TRUNCATEONLY )" command my log file stoped growing. It still remains 1024KB after 4-5 days of activity. What might be the problem?
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Hi,
should i use the SHRINK DATABASE maintenance plan once a month on all USERS DB?
if so what parameters should i put this the "Shrink Database when i grows beyond XXX MB" and the "Amount of free space to remain after shrink"
THX
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Feb 15, 2006
Hi,
I have strange problem:
1) When I run "DBCC SHRINKDATABASE" (from my application) on computer with SQL Server 2000, it works fine.
2) When I run "DBCC SHRINKDATABASE" (from my application) on computer with MSDE that is connected the network with other computer with SQL Server 2000, it works fine.
3) When I run "DBCC SHRINKDATABASE" (from my application) on computer with MSDE that isn't connected the network, it stops response. I have wait for 15 minuts but it still doesn't work, neither the database is clear before. Why?
4) Also when I run "DBCC SHRINKDATABASE" (from my application) on computer with MSDE that is connected the network without other computer with SQL Server 2000, it stops response. I have wait for 15 minuts but it still doesn't work, neither the database is clear before. Why?
May be the "DBCC SHRINKDATABASE" need some DLLs that installed on SQL Server 2000 only and doesn't deliver with MSDE? May be this is SQL-DMO or/and SQL-NS?
My appliation created by C# in VS.NET 2003. I am using OLEDB.
Thank's
Alexei
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Hi there,
How can I see the progress of DBCC SHRINKDATABASE on SQL Server 2000?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
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Has anyone used the
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If YES,
Please, if you dont mind, paste the code in this forum.
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Hi all,
2 weeks ago I deleted about 200GB of data from a 300GB+ database. It's a custom DB we want to use to test few things. We wanted a smaller size DB for our testing and since we didn't have any we grabbed a production backup, removed sensitive data and ran a large archiving script on it... Anyway so far so good but our data file was still the same size as before.
So we started a shrinkdatabase... it has been running for 2 weeks now! After about 1 week I interrupted the shrinkdatabase process and ran a
dbcc shrinkdatabase('DB', truncateonly)
just to see if the data file will get reduced a bit or not. It did get reduced by about 20GB. I assume that
dbcc shrinkdatabase('DB', 0)
has free up enough pages at the end of the data file so a truncateonly was able to free up some space... Anyway after this we started the
dbcc shrinkdatabase('DB', truncateonly)
again... still running...
The database was never shrank before and every index is highly fragmented... Is that why it's taking so long? Am I actually going to have to wait for another few weeks before that thing finishes??
Anyone has experience running shrink on large DBs?
thanks!
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Hi everyone:
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- Can SHRINKDATABASE be run with the DB still in use? I'll run it after hours, but want to know if I need to put it in admin mode
- Will SHRINKDATABASE even do what I want?
- I've read the SHRINKDATABASE can fragment indexes. Is this true? If yes, how do I avoid it?
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I am working with a large database that has its tables stored on a secondary filegroup. I'm trying to shrink the size of the files but I can't seem to get the system to free up the unused space. I've tried shrinkdatabase and shrinkfile both with and without the truncateonly option. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a workaround? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
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Feb 28, 2008
So, basically I'm trying to do an insert into exec(dbcc shrinkdatabase)
Code Snippet
DECLARE
@SQL VARCHAR(1024)
,@DBName VARCHAR(512)
SET @DBName= 'admin'
IF OBJECT_ID('tempdb.dbo.#ShrinkDB') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE #ShrinkDB
CREATE TABLE #ShrinkDB
(
DbId INT
,FileID INT
,CurrentSize BIGINT
,MinimumSize BIGINT
,UsedPages BIGINT
,EstimatedPages BIGINT
)
SET @SQL=
'
INSERT INTO #ShrinkDB
(DbId,FileId,CurrentSize,MinimumSize,Usedpages,EstimatedPages)
EXEC(''DBCC SHRINKDATABASE(' + @DBName + ')'')
'
EXEC(@SQL)
SELECT * FROM #ShrinkDB
and receive the following:
Cannot perform a shrinkdatabase operation inside a user transaction. Terminate the transaction and reissue the statement.
I've tried adding a begin tran and commit tran around it, doesn't help ...
Is there any way around this? Is there any other way to capture the output of a shrink database from a procedure perspective?
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