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Hello everyone,
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--------- Servers [Group]
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3. Calculate Score for [Acer] product against Group [Computer Stuff] for Johannesburg
4. Calculate Score for all products against Group [computer Stuff] for Johannesburg
5. Calculate score for [Acer] product against all root groups for Johannesburg
5.1. Group [Comptuer Stuff] and [Home Stuff]
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6.1. Group [Comptuer Stuff] and [Home Stuff]
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8. Calculate Score for all products (productid = null) against Laptop for South Africa
9. Calculate Score for [Acer] product against Group [Computer Stuff] for South Africa
10. Calculate Score for all products against Group [computer Stuff] for South Africa
11. Calculate score for [Acer] product against all root groups for South Africa
11.1. Group [Comptuer Stuff] and [Home Stuff]
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12.1. Group [Comptuer Stuff] and [Home Stuff]
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14. Calculate Score for all products (productid = null) against Laptop for Africa
15. Calculate Score for [Acer] product against Group [Computer Stuff] for Africa
16. Calculate Score for all products against Group [computer Stuff] for Africa
17. Calculate score for [Acer] product against all root groups for Africa
17.1. Group [Comptuer Stuff] and [Home Stuff]
18. Calculate score for all products against all root groups for Africa
18.1. Group [Comptuer Stuff] and [Home Stuff]
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If I take away the begin tran and commit it works, but of course, if one statement fails I want a rollback. I'm executing this from a Delphi app, but I get the same from Qry Analyser.

I've tried both with and without the Set XACT . . ., and also tried with Set Implicit_Transactions off.

set XACT_ABORT ON
Begin distributed Tran
update OPENDATASOURCE('SQLOLEDB','Data Source=10.10.10.171;User ID=*****;Password=****').TRANSFERSTN.TSADMIN.TRANSACTIONMAIN
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
update TSADMIN.TRANSACTIONMAIN
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1 and DONE = 1
update OPENDATASOURCE('SQLOLEDB','Data Source=10.10.10.171;User ID=*****;Password=****').TRANSFERSTN.TSADMIN.WBENTRY
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
update TSADMIN.WBENTRY
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
update OPENDATASOURCE('SQLOLEDB','Data Source=10.10.10.171;User ID=*****;Password=****').TRANSFERSTN.TSADMIN.FIXED
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
update TSADMIN.FIXED
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
update OPENDATASOURCE('SQLOLEDB','Data Source=10.10.10.171;User ID=*****;Password=****').TRANSFERSTN.TSADMIN.ALTCHARGE
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
update TSADMIN.ALTCHARGE
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
update OPENDATASOURCE('SQLOLEDB','Data Source=10.10.10.171;User ID=*****;Password=****').TRANSFERSTN.TSADMIN.TSAUDIT
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
update TSADMIN.TSAUDIT
set REPFLAG = 0 where REPFLAG = 1
COMMIT TRAN


It's got me stumped, so any ideas gratefully received.Thx

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